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Hey all, I'm very new to roses. Planted a bunch of Austins this winter in my zone 10b pasadena CA garden. I'm hoping they do well and survive without becoming unruly. I'm interested in great roses for cut flowers. Right now I've mostly maxed out my space but am looking to have a list of roses to add if the current selection doesn't suit me. I tend toward the apricots and more subdued colors but love the deep rich oranges. Absolutely love the globular blooms (Jude the obscure is a favorite). Strong fragrance is also a plus. Thanks.alsoif there is a way to
Search by zones and cut flowers I will do that but I didn't see that option.
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If you are looking for cut flowers you must try 'Autumn' if you have room--it doesn't take much. Any of the Pernetianas ought to do well where you are, and 'Autumn' with its ever changing colors is one of the best of that group.
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Thanks for the tip! Will explore those roses and seek out Autumn.
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I googled Pasadena, CA and it says 21 inch. of rain per year, compared to my 40 inch. in Chicagoland (or twice more rain). With less rain climate, for own-root roses, the dark-green foliage blooms well with alkaline-tap-water. I have grown over 100 varieties of fragrant roses, and Barbra Streisand lasts very long in the vase, and the scent beats Austin roses. Barbara Streisand is on sale for $12 per gallon, if ordered this week at Rosesunlimitedsc. Their 1/2 price sale starts today, June 6, it's sold-out fast, e-mail them is faster than phone.
https://rosesunlimitedsc.com/
Austin roses that last longest in the vase for me are: Golden Celebration, William Shakespeare 2000, and Wise Portia (best as own-root). Veteran's Honor last long in the vase, but the scent is light-cherry. Firefighter lasts up to 5 days in the vase, compared to 2 days for Jude the Obscure. Also I posted pics. of bouquets on my HMF profile, showing which roses are best as cut-flowers, such as Bronze Star, which is very fragrant orange, and last twice longer Jude the Obscure in the vase. Bronze star & Anna's Promise (both orange) are on sale for $12 per gallon at Roses Unlimited this June. Crown princess Magareta is a globular orange, also for $12 this week.
Versigny (orange) lasts 5 days in the vase, the scent can easily compete with Jude. Bolero (white, best as own-root) also last long in the vase. If you click on my HMF profile, I posted many bouquets with the longest lasting cut-blooms.
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Thank you! I jumped and hope I end up getting the Barbara Steisand, bronze star, versigny, and a folklore rose I had on my list. I haven't heard back but I get the impression that it's a small operation and probably gets swamped with rose enthusiasts when there is a sale. I'll keep my fingers crossed.
Joan
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'Paul Ricault' does well as a cut flower and keeps it's fragrance really well.
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Andrew: I look up Paul Ricault, it's a Centifolia//bourbon ... I had 2 Centifolia roses as own-roots, they are very drought-tolerant. Bourbon roses are drought-tolerant too. Yes, they keep their scent, even after the petals fall apart.
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Even quite tight buds will open and still have a good smell.
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Joan: I ordered 6 roses from Roses Unlimited Summer sale, and sent them a check by mail (slower to receive roses). They are: Mme. Ernest Calvat, James Galway, Marie Daley, The Dark Lady, The Squire, Anna's Promise. I choose Anna's Promise (orange) since it has dark & glossy foliage (likes alkaline clay), I choose Bourbon M.E. Calvat for its scent, Marie Daley is an "Earthkind" and drought-tolerant rose, The Dark Lady has Rugosa heritage (thus drought-tolerant), The Squire is known to like CA alkaline soil/water.
For alkaline soil or water: choose dark-green foliage. For heavy clay (high in magnesium): choose glossy foliage like Sheila's perfume. For drought tolerant: Centifolia & Bourbon, and esp. roses with Rugosa heritage. For high-rain/acidic, choose multiflora-parentage, or light-green & tiny leaves (hybrid musk).
Versigny is sold as full-price (not in the $12 list), that one blooms best with high-potassium & gypsum fertilizer.
https://rosesunlimitedsc.com/
I bought Bronze Star from RU one year, that has fabulous scent, but best in a pot & partial shade (it's a water-hog) .. that one needs Mira-acid SOLUBLE fertilizer since it doesn't have the glossy & dark-green foliage (means cannot produce acid as own-root). We are in a dry spell, 2 weeks of no rain, so I have to use Mira-acid SOLUBLE fertilizer with my alkaline tap water at pH 9.
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Wow! Thanks for all the info. I've learned more from these comments than in months of scouring rose catalogs.
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7 JUN 17 by
 Jay-Jay
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Most of the Austins don't do very well as cut-flowers on a vase: almost no vase-life.
However, they're wonderful floating with very short stems in a flat (glass) bowl or dish.
PS: Warm Wishes performs well as a cut-flower. Marie Dermar too.
As for red roses Ingrid Bergman, Santana, Nachtfalter and Winschoten and perform well, of which the latter two have a wonderful perfume.
Others are Ambiente, Acropolis and Gräfin Esterhazy.
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Thanks for the help! Will seek these out! in fact, it looks like I already have warm wishes - if it's also sunset celebration as stated on the description it's growing in my garden as of a month ago! and It's beautiful! Already several lovely blooms.
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I rather think centifolias are like Gallicas in that they need chill hours in the winter. I have 'Paul Ricault' which is a huge thorny monster, the kind of rose you plant to discourage trespass. I don't know for sure, but I doubt it would thrive in a dry climate.
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Ok! Definitely not for me then! I have 2 and 4 year old boys and not a huge amount of space. Good to know.
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KBW in zone 9b Pakistan has temp. up to 113 F or 45 C, and his 100+ roses are grafted on Centifolia. He posted the most beautiful "cabbage-blooms" of Centifolia rootstock in Organic Rose forum. The two own-root Centiflolia roses I have are the most drought-tolerant in my garden. I killed Centifolia Le R. Nias and it took me almost 2 hours just to get rid of the extensive suckering.& very deep roots through my rock-hard clay. The other 'Centifolia Variegata' is very thorny, I watered that once a month, and it's near trees.
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