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'William R. Smith' rose Reviews & Comments
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most recent 10 MAR 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 FEB 18 by Patricia Routley
Checking first with other growers. I would like to add a Note to the 'William R. Smith' page to the effect that it sets no hips. I have never noted a hip on my bushes and nearly all of my blooms end up perfect for dried flower arrangements [!] I have added the Tea Roses. Old Roses For Warm Gardens reference which notes "no hip seen".
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 24 FEB 18 by Margaret Furness
No hips as such on mine at present. I'll keep watching the current batch of spent blooms.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 26 FEB 18 by billy teabag
I'll do the same.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 9 MAR 18 by HubertG
There is only one descendant of William R Smith listed here (and that was where WRS was used as the pollen parent). I haven't grown this rose, so I don't know if it produces hips or not from experience, but one would assume that if such an esteemed and beautiful rose were fertile, it would have been pounced on by the breeders at the time to be used to produce offspring. It was most probably infertile but I'm only speculating.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 9 MAR 18 by Patricia Routley
And I'll betcha two bob to a pinch of salt that the long-gone descendant, 'Mrs. R. M. King' (Mme. Abel Chatenay x William R Smith) was, in fact, a self pollinated 'Mme. Abel Chatenay'. The only real reference, 1931, says "too much like Abel Chatenay". We will never know, of course, but it gives credence to your speculation that William R. Smith is sterile
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 MAR 18 by HubertG
Patricia, I was thinking exactly the same thing when I posted that above.
I imagine W R Smith takes after its mother Maman Cochet in the fertility department.

Incidentally, I have a hip on my White Maman Cochet and I have never seen this before. I left it to develop but it has partially split so I'm expecting it to rot, but you can see developing seeds inside.
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