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Initial post 2 days ago by Marlorena
I'm surprised to see this rose listed as a 'Tea'.. don't most people who know it think it's a China rose?
Reply #1 of 7 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Looking at the nurseries, Angel Gardens and Antique Rose Emporium both call it a tea. La Roseraie du Desert list a climber called 'Odee's Pink Noisette'.
Reply #2 of 7 posted yesterday by Marlorena
Thank you Patricia. I got mine from Roseraie in France, and it just surprises me that this rose can be thought of as either a Tea or Noisette. Not claiming to be an expert but it looks and behaves all China to my eyes. It's evergreen through my winter - Teas apart from Lady Hillingdon which seems to do as well here as anywhere, and Mme. Antoine Mari, are not the best for my climate, but Odee Pink sails through and blooms all summer.. just like China roses do for me.. It's also said to resemble the long lost China rose 'Irene Watts'...

I'm going to continue thinking of it as a China, as it just doesn't say 'Tea' to me... not yet.. and I don't see any sign of it becoming a climber in my conditions..

I see it was found in gardens in Texas, west of the Brazos river... I rather like that..
Reply #3 of 7 posted today by Patricia Routley
Marlorena, perhaps you might like to query La Roseraie du Desert on their 'Odee's Pink Noisette' and whether it could be the same, or different from the one you purchased from them.

And take a look at the Australian foundling "Agnes Smith" to see if you see anything familiar in those photos.
I have a poor specimen of "Agnes Smith" and it has often struck me as having a good deal of china blood. Mine was so poor in fact, that in 2016 I thought I had better propagate it. The resulting three plants are doing very well (for my cool, acid soil conditions).
Reply #4 of 7 posted today by HubertG
Just looking at the photos of 'Odee Pink', it doesn't look the same as 'Agnes Smith' to me.
Reply #5 of 7 posted today by Marlorena
Patricia... that's an interesting rose in itself. I'm not convinced it's the same as mine though. Agnes is very pink in photos, like my Pink Gruss an Aachen, but that may be due to climate. My Odee is almost white, or blush white at best..
My rose appears to be the same as shown on its page, I was just surprised it was found in Texas, as I had been under the impression it was found in France. Obviously got that wrong..
Reply #6 of 7 posted today by Patricia Routley
....... My Odee is almost white, or blush white at best..

It makes me wonder why it was named "Odee PINK" when it was found.
Reply #7 of 7 posted today by Marlorena
I've just looked at some of my photos and it does have a pink centre when it opens, but blush white outer petals.
I might upload a photo just to compare..
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Initial post 24 DEC 12 by Patricia Routley
Jeri - In the Habit description, you have put "holly-like foliage".
I don't know what causes this, or whether it is an inherited trait.
I have seen it in my garden in just two roses: 'Mrs. Dunlop Best' whose parentage is not known, so that is no help.

And in 'Bon Silene'. This rose has far few petals than "Jesse Hildreth" and the parentage is also not known, but there are two white descendants:
'White Bon Silene' 1884 which is described as semi-double and so I would discount this.
And 'Annie Cook' 1888. On the very slim chance that the holly-like foliage is an inherited trait, this last rose may bear considering although I feel that being a sport of 'Bon Silene'. it too, may not have enough petals.
Reply #1 of 2 posted today by HubertG
I just came across this beautiful rose! Surely Cornelia Cook has to be a serious contender for its real identity.
Some of the early references, however, describe Cornelia Cook as pure white, although it's more often described as shaded straw or pale yellow. I would love to grow 'Jesse Hildreth'!
Reply #2 of 2 posted today by Patricia Routley
Wouldn't we all. From my very distant screen, that seems an excellent guess, HubertG.
Keeping in mind any artistic licence, I note there are quite a few receptacles shown in the artist's representation of 'Cornelia Cook', and none at all in the "Jessie Hildreth" file. We could do with good side-on photos of "Jesse Hildreth" buds.
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Initial post today by Raymond49
Re: Rosa "Eeuwige Passie" aka "Passion for Ever". Parentage = English rose "Sweet Juliet" x Rosa "Echo".
Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Patricia Routley
Do you have a website we can quote?
Alternatively, can you post your comment under the rose itself, so we know where we got the parentage from.
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Initial post today by HubertG
The Journal des Roses reference tells us that it is "issue de Règulus".

Whether it is the correct variety or not 'Hovyn de Tronchere' is listed at the Rose Antiche S'orrosa nursery.
Reply #1 of 1 posted today by Patricia Routley
Thank you HubertG. We've added the parentage, (choosing the 1860 tea over the 1806 gallica 'Regulus').

Some of the photos in this file might be 'Lady Mary Fitzwilliam' (syn "Whittle Light Pink Tea").
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