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Initial post 2 days ago by jacekk
The photograph of the rose in the picture is inappropriate and intended to be removed.It presents the MAJESTIC rose,HT,Olesen,1991,Denmark.
Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by Patricia Routley
All members are able to move their own photos using the REASSIGN button. However, in this case, we have moved your photo for you Jacekk to Majestic ™ (hybrid tea, Olesen 1991).
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Initial post 4 days ago by Cà Berta
Catalogo F.lli Giacomasso 1940-41 page 3

Egeria – H.T. (Comm. Aicardi) - Novità 1940
Un fiore grandissimo che si può paragonare ad una peonia! Rosso mattone scuro a unghia gialla con striature di arancio sulla pagina esteriore dei petali. Di forma squisita, sarà una rosa di grande effetto, prodiga di fiori durante tutta la stagione. Profumata (Vedi foto a colori a pag. 5)

Translation : A very large flower that can be compared to a peony! Dark red brick with yellow nail with streaks of orange on the outer page of the petals. Exquisitely shaped, it will be a very impressive rose, lavish with flowers throughout the season. Scented (see color photo on page 5)

NOTE: thus the unknown breeder is Domenico Aicardi
Reply #1 of 4 posted 2 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thanks Bruna. Breeder and date altered to Aicardi before 1940. Reference added.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 2 days ago by Nastarana
What are the chances that 'Egeria' might still be alive somewhere?
Reply #3 of 4 posted 2 days ago by Cà Berta
Not many, I am afraid.The roses of that period that are still with us either were planted in the Rose Garden of Rome (and from there the material was given by the Curator Rolando Zandri to Professor Fineschi who had it propagated in his Roseto di Cavriglia) or were marketed by many nurseries and thus they were quite widespread on the territory). Egeria was not in Rome and appears only in the catalogs of F.lli Giacomasso and of Sgaravatti. Sgaravatti, however, was one of the main nursery in Italy and had Egeria in the catalogue for some years .. We hope that having found an image of this rose it can help to recognize it if it still exists in some old garden.
Reply #4 of 4 posted yesterday by Nastarana
How disappointing. I suppose we Americans have this unrealistic and romantic notion that while we are always moving, Europeans remain on the ancestral acres for decades if not centuries.
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Initial post 2 days ago by bumblekim
From Amazon books: The White Rose tells the story of Hans Scholl and Sophie Scholl, who in 1942 led a small underground organization of German students and professors to oppose the atrocities committed by Hitler and the Nazi Party. They named their group the White Rose, and they distributed leaflets denouncing the Nazi regime. Sophie, Hans, and a third student were caught and executed.
Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by Nastarana
I am delighted to see that the memory of Sophie Scholl has been honored with a white rose named for her. I would surely buy it if it became available in the USA. I recently finished a brilliant novel by Fallada, "Every Man Dies Alone", which was a fictional retelling of the true story of another dissident against the Nazi regime.
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Initial post 2 days ago by Geoffrey
This rose appears to have been 'pulled' in Australia by David Austin Roses UK, and is no longer available through retail nurseries here.
I have to wonder at the perceived power of an international grower to (a) allow only a select few roses onto the market instead of going through the usual trial process, and (b) telling retail growers what they will sell and what they won't. Seems a bit too cheeky when they don't live here.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 2 days ago by Nastarana
The DA Co. has been doing this kind of thing for decades in North America. Some very hard-nosed business practices have alienated some of their customer base. Many of us gardeners won't buy their new releases and some are aggressively seeking out "superseded" varieties.

The main complaint has been that DA Co. won't authorize a nursery to grow their newest, patented varieties unless that nursery agrees not to sell older, off patent varieties. That is part of a growing trend in many fields to include in contracts matters which are in fact no business of the contracting parties.
Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Geoffrey
I am not a grower nor retailer, but have purchased some hundreds of roses over the last five years or so, all of which are doing rather well :)

But I am going to throw a gauntlet down before all those who are apparently beholden to DAUK.

Why are you so enthralled by the self-appointed kings of roses? Aren't there other suppliers of roses that are just as good if not better than the standard DA 'English Rose' which has become rather boring with its repetition? Once you have seen a DA English rose, they all now look the same.

So, you suppliers of roses to we the retail public, to whom do you owe you fealty to? DA Jnr or your customers?

Just asking.
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