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'Gold Medal' rose Reviews & Comments
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On Page 122 of Herb Swim's book, Roses-From Dreams to Reality, while talking about Katherine Loker he says, "Its importance, as I see it, is its role as one of the parents of Jack Christensen's GOLD MEDAL." Considering that both Herb and Jack worked for Armstrong Nurseries I am wondering if the listed parentage is corrected?
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John,
All of the references listed with 'Gold Medal' show the parentage listed on the rose page. I checked Swim's book and saw the reference you referred to in your post. I think it's necessary to find a source where the rose was registered or Christensen listed the parentage to determine whether or not the parentage should be changed.
Smiles, Lyn
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I doubt we'll ever know for certain but I found Herb's comment to be interesting. I grow Kathern Loker and would not argue if someone wanted to say it was a parent of Gold Medal.Below is a picture of Kathern Loker. Considering it is a good pollen parent and Yellow Pages, which finishes with a pink tinge on the petals, is listed as the seed parent, I could see where Kathern Loker could be the pollen parent. It's just something to think about.
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Mmmm... I kind of doubt it. The seedling is probably Shirley Langhorn, which I think is where GM gets its very linear nature and want to color bleach. Also, the lineage GM brought seems to suggest against KL as a parent.
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John........
Here's a link to Jack Christensen's website where he lists the parentage of his roses. The parentage question could really be about other roses listed further back in the geneology, but I think this site confirms the parentage of 'Gold Medal'.
http://home.earthlink.net/~jchristensen/list.html
Smiles, Lyn
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Thanks for the link. I'm well aware of the published parentage, my only doubt came in with Herb's comment. Jack has produced a long line of beautiful roses including my personal favorite of his, Lanvin which has Katherine Loker listed as one of it's parents. It's amazing how similar the two pictures on his site of Lanvin and Gold Medal are, although in real life they are not that similar. I also love his rose Midas Touch but then it's hard not to like all of his roses.
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I have a Gold Medal rose that has bright orange roses on the same bush. Does this have to mean the orange flower was the one the Gold Medal was grafted to, or can Gold Medals be solid orange too?
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#1 of 14 posted
21 JUN 08 by
Cass
What is the source of the plant? There is no traditional rootstock with orange flowers. Looking closely at the canes with orange flowers, do the leaves, prickles and other botanical details such as bud shape and hips, resemble Gold Medal? Do the orange and golden blooms appear in cycle, at the same time, or in different cycles?
I can think of several possibilities to explain your orange blooms. One is that your plant sported. A second is that your climate conditions bring out the tangerine shading in Gold Metal. A third is that there was an error in budding your rose and two different roses, Gold Medal and a second orange rose, were budded to the same rootstock. You can see from some of the pictures on HMF that some of the blooms show much more tangerine shading.
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#2 of 14 posted
24 JUN 08 by
tlampman
Thank you so much for your response. The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know. What does "sported" mean? Thank you so much for sharing your vast knowledge with me.
I just started really planting roses and learning how to take care of them over the last winter. Last year, I bought my first rose bush. It was the "Gold Medal". Yes, I bought it at Walmart. I didn't know any better. All last year, I thought it was the climate conditions that made the Gold Medal turn orange. I don't think that any more. The leaves ARE slightly different. I overfed the bush recently, and turned my leaves a little yellow. I kept the mold control and bug control up, so I know that was the problem. The overfeeding made the Gold Medal thrive, and the unknown orange flowers yellowed.a bit. The budding cycles are off too, come to think of it. Strangely, the orange flower is very similar in flower size and shape to the Gold Medal. One quick question. What color is the traditional rootstock?
On a positive note. I'm up to 11 rose bushes and all are thriving this year. None of my other bushes were purchased at walmart.
Thank you so much, REALLY.
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#3 of 14 posted
24 JUN 08 by
Cass
No vast knowledge here, just common rose knowledge, tlampman. A sport is a mutation - - not all that common but not that rare, either. Rose plants have bloom color mutations, climbing mutations (as in the case of the famous rose PEACE, which sported the PEACE, Climbing) and even dwarf mutations. But now that you mention the source of you plant, I suspect it was an error in the production of your rose: two different roses were budded onto the same rootstock.
Is your rose a bush or a rose tree? There are a few roses sold as standards (rose trees) that have two different colored roses deliberately budded onto the standard. The objective is to produce a rose tree with two colors of flowers. Two of the roses used for this effect are color sports. If your rose is a standard, then maybe it was mislabeled and was actually one of these standards. I think Weeks had Livin' Easy and Easy Going budded together, one an orange rose and the other a yellow rose. These are called Twofers.
Most roses sold in big box stores are budded onto a rootstock. The most common rootstock in the USA is Dr. Huey, which has dark red blooms and is a once blooming climbing rose. Other rootstocks used are forms of Rosa multiflora, which has small white flowers.
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#4 of 14 posted
24 JUN 08 by
tlampman
That's fascinating. I actually enjoy my rose bush with the different types of roses on it. It's one of a kind, adding variety to my vases. I have a rose bush. Half of it is definately a Gold Medal. Gold Medals seem to have a distinctive look about them, and popular on the Gulf Coast, though not as common as you would think. I don't have any rose trees yet. I would love to get a twofer though.
Thank you so much again for your unbelievable knowledge. Interesting that the most common rootstock is a climber. You would think combining that with something meant to be shorter, wouldn't work very well. I've learned a bunch in one year. It seems I have quite a bit more to learn. It seems the mistery is solved. Thanks to you.
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Please take a look at "Magic Lantern" on this site. That rose is a sport of Gold Medal. I grow both Gold Medal and Magic Lantern, and Magic Lantern is definitely more "orange" than Gold Medal. If that's not what you've got, then you may have discovered an entirely new sport! How exciting for you.
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#6 of 14 posted
24 JUN 08 by
tlampman
Thank you so much for this post. As you have a "Magic Lantern", do any of the solid orange roses on the plant, have an almost florescent color to them? When you look at this orange color, you feel like it would glow in the dark if you had a black light. It has the same vivid color as "Vavoom", but it has more of a tangerine hue to it. Very, very bright. All of the pictures I could find of the "Magic Lantern" make the orange look more eligant. Let me know what you think. Discovering my own sport? I think that's tough to do. But I certainly like the thought of it!
Thanks again!
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I would describe mine as more of a soft orange. Not bright a la Vavoom. If you think you have a new sport, the next thing to do is to try to see if it's "stable" and if it will propagate true to the color that is found in your yard. I'm afraid you will need professional help for this, though. Essentially they take the buds from a stem that sported and graft up new plants to see what grows under various growing conditions all over. I, personally, would love to have a bright orange sport of Gold Medal, so there probably is a market for it if it is stable and does propagate true, and if you can find some help.
And I would also contact the nearest ARS consulting rosarian through your local rose society, who could probably, given that this is a youngish plant, inspect the graft and tell you if there are two of them there (and thus a Walmart error) or if there is one graft and this may really be a sport.
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#8 of 14 posted
25 JUN 08 by
tlampman
Now I'm a rosaholic too!
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#9 of 14 posted
25 JUN 08 by
tlampman
The head of our local rose society just came over to my house. Apparently, she lives down the street. She said it was definately a SPORT! She has Gold Medals in her yard as well.
She hasn't been successful grafting anything, but she has rooted roses. She's taken classes on it, and even had someone she knew that was good at it help her. She's a master gardener too. One quick question. Would it be soooo bad if I just rooted a clipping, maybe when the weather cools down?
I'm going to work on this further. I'm just so happy now. I want it to sink in!
You've absolutely made my month, getting me to check this out. Thank you So much.
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I guess that would depend on how much "sport" material you have. I root cuttings sometimes also, but the trouble is -- only approx a third of them "take." You could do this, but it would be a big risk if it doesn't take and you have no more sport material. A rose can sport anywhere along the stem that is coming up orange, and there's no way to know where on the stem the "sport" starts, really. On the other hand, if you can get someone to bud some of your stem onto a rootstock, then your chances of multiplying this sport are much higher. With budding, you can get a whole plant from the single bud at each leaf node below the bloom. I would only try to root cuttings from this if (1) you have a lot of stems that are orange and wouldn't mind losing one or two, or (2) you really couldn't find anyone able to bud up a plant for you. Look around a bit and see if you can't find a supplier that can bud up a few plants for you. One grower that I know does this is www.CoolRoses.com.
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#11 of 14 posted
25 JUN 08 by
tlampman
I will be sending Geoff at CoolRoses.com the stalks that he needs to reproduce my Gold Medal sport on Monday (he will be out of town til then). Thank you so much. He was very nice and seemed very hopeful that he could reproduce my orange flowers. We are both in Florida, so hopefully the stalks will make it to him in short order. He will be using Fortuniana Rootstock. The rose society lady said that's what most growers use here.
Thanks again. I'm just thrilled.
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If it works, I want one. And I hope it does.
HAVE FUN!
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#13 of 14 posted
12 JUL 08 by
tlampman
quite a bit has happened. I decided to go with a rose grower in Mississippi. He is well known around here and the coolroses guy required rights to sell the rose. I don't know if it's sellable. I just don't know enough to give away anything yet. The Mississippi has a flawless rep and a big hybridizing business. Everyone just loves him. I feel comfortable with him. That's what counts. I would love to keep you posted along the way if your interested. I'm trying to root 3 stems myself. 2 weeks now. They're still living-no roots yet though.
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#14 of 14 posted
20 MAR 12 by
goncmg
Fascinating thread! This is also 4 years old----what happened with the sport??
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the buds are almost orange/gold and the flowers open up to a deep, deep yellow. they also have good staying power, retaining their shape even at the point were they need to be trimmed off (stem weakens, or flower gets small spots of brown) at which point it will have faded to a yellowy cream color. looks interesting on the same bush as if they aren't the same flowers. i cannot detect a fragrance, but it would be a favorite otherwise.
south fl, zone 9b
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I need help with the name of a rose. I bought it from Aldi last year and never paid it much attention until this year when i moved them to a sunnier location. It's a grandiflora for sure cause that's what they sold last year it's yellow and thornless anyone got any ideas??
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