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Discussion id : 103-826
most recent 1 AUG HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 1 AUG by Sambolingo
Available from - Old Market Farm
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Discussion id : 88-693
most recent 14 OCT 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 14 OCT 15 by pvaldes
A full double rose that is also really flat, like chopped with a knife. The color starts as a rich and saturated crimson tone, but can fade to purple in clay and finally expose a green excavated central circle. It looks huge in photos, but is not much bigger than the other Gallica (All this group have relatively small roses).

The shrub is disease-free and undemanding as long as is correctly grafted and can not run wild. A real beauty in all stages of the life of the flower. I love it.
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Discussion id : 39-925
most recent 27 OCT 09 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 22 OCT 09 by kahlenberg
has anybody ever heard, that charles de mills produces a (very small )second flush in autumn? mine does. i detected two buds on a bush of mine a few days ago.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 26 OCT 09 by Cass
I've grown it for 7 or 8 years and have never seen a bud after the spring flush. Maybe we don't grow the same rose.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 26 OCT 09 by kahlenberg
i try to contact the nursery and see, what they say (schultheis, germany). i´ve never been quite sure about the real identity of the plant myself, but in fact, it looks like a gallica, so it would be surprising, anyway.

it also may be a phenomenon, which can be seen on many other shrubs and trees outside the rose family (like forsythia for example), which produce a second flush in autumn, if the summer has been very dry.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 26 OCT 09 by Cass
Yes, we see the same here, even in our Mediterranean climate: drought year followed by early rains produces bloom on a variety of plants. In fact, I just saw bloom on Pteracantha. Our Old European roses seem to be the most resistant to rebloom in the fall, at least the few I grow. They are busy growing vigorously in the our mild fall. The most winter hardy roses, however, are already showing color in their leaves and going dormant, even with daytime temperatures around 75℉/24℃.

The reason I mention questions about the identity of Charles de Mills is that its history is shrouded in mystery. Some growers describe theirs as very fragrant; mine has only vague fragrance and mostly the scent of straw.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 27 OCT 09 by kahlenberg
i have to confess, that i am not very good when it comes olfactorious abilities, or maybe i am just not tempted to see more in a rose than can be found, just because of it´s beauty. i respond very well to the scent of geraniol, but the scent of many roses bred by using asian species/varieties led to a fragrance very different from the classic rose-scent, and i´m beginning (very slowly, indeed), what for example the tee-rose-scent is about, because when i first made acquaintance with a tea, i could´t sense anything but the vague presence of an uncertain smell of raw vegetables, like peas, artichokes or aubergines.

anyway, i don´t know, what my charles de mills smells like, but for sure not so fabulously , that it would have impressed me for otherwise, i could remember it. unfortunatly the buds won´t open, because iis just beginning to get really cold here
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 27 OCT 09 by kahlenberg
i must confess that i´m not very good, when it comes to olfactorious abilities, or maybe í am just not tempted to see more in a rose than there is just because of it´s beauty. i´m quite good with the smell of geraniol, but modern varieties, bred by using asian species lack of that substance and i´m just beginning to learn, what the scent of tea-roses is about. the first time, i have made acquaintance with a tea (adam), the smell just vaguely reminded me of that of raw vegetables like artichokes, aubergines or peas. another thing is, that weather-conditions seem to be very important if the scent is noticeable or not (except for one variety; one of the few moderns, that really amaze me: frederic mistral, which has a fantastic scent under all conditions any time of the day)

anyway, i can´t tell, if my charles de mills is fragrant or not. at least not that much that it could have impressed me for otherwise, i would remember it. unfortunately, i don´t think the buds will open, because it is getting freezing cold here and i will have to wait until next june to get pictures of my charles de mills for you.
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Discussion id : 37-296
most recent 23 JUN 09 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 17 JUN 09 by MaryG
Does anyone have any clues to more closely define the degree of shade tolerance for Charles de Mills? Have you, for instance, grown it successfully in only 2 hours (or 3 hours, or 4 hours, or whatever) of direct sunlight? Or tried with any particular amount and had to move the plant to a sunnier spot?

I have very few spots with close to full sun, and am trying to find from among the shade tolerant roses those that will succeed with the least amounts of sun. I am looking for good plant health (no spray) but can easily accept fewer blooms.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 JUN 09 by kahlenberg
in my neighbourhood there are shrubs of charles de mills grown under large elder trees, but they seem to be fine. i havent really checked how long they might receive direct sunlight during the whole day, but it can just be about two hours in summer in the late afternoon while the sun is going down.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 23 JUN 09 by MaryG
Thanks so much for your reply! This one is going onto my wish list now.
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