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'Crimson Glory' rose Reviews & Comments
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I am having trouble with the link to the patent. Is there a trick to getting access?
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#1 of 3 posted
1 SEP 19 by
jedmar
All patent links are not working currently
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This issue has been resolved.
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Oh how wonderful! I just have to say “THANK YOU” Admin.
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I am hoping you will see this Karl. What is the publication name of the 1964 reference you wish to add?
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#1 of 1 posted
14 AUG 19 by
jedmar
Patricia, it is mentioned in the text. I have added "Journal of the Japanese Horticultural Society" (1964)
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Does anyone know how this rose grows in a cool wet climate?
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I've heard 'Ena Harkness' is better for cooler climates.
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I don't have it, but I would just give it a try and see for yourself... I'm afraid I couldn't grow a rose called 'Ena'... it would remind me too much of ''Ena Sharples''... [sorry, Andrew will know]…
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Three own-root plants of ‘Crimson Glory’ in different locations in my garden, all from a healthy named plant in my shopping town. My three are all very low, certainly under a foot in height, probably not worth the garden space but when they bloom, I am glad I have them. I also grow what I believe is ‘Ena Harkness’ on its own roots. This was bred from ‘Crimson Glory’ and on its own roots here, is equally low.
Marlorena, could you grow a rose called ‘Violet Carson’?
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Patricia.... now we're talking... yes absolutely.. and I think if I remember she was a very well spoken lady too... great character though old 'Ena'... we all loved her really, back in the day.. there was one in every village...
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And due to a character called Edna, I don't grow gladioli.
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ha!.... me neither Margaret....
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I do. I grow the beautiful Old Gladioli cardinalus (?) that I found in old Group Settlement gardens around our town. I’ll add a photo later,
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Oh no Margaret was a monster not welcome in my garden (I not talking about Margaret Furness).... I might have a stab at 'Ena Harkness' then as it is such a historically important rose though I don't care for it much. I'm slightly resigned to the fact I need to grow 'SuperStar'. My grandmother grew them quite well but that was on chalky soil right by the sea. Marlorena I'm very surprised you don't grow Gladiolus byzantinus, everyone round here calls them Cousin Jacks.
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Cousin Jacks and Cousin Jennies used to mean recent immigrants from Cornwall, in 19th century South Australia.
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Yes that's right and Marlorna is from Cornwall. The Cornish call people from Devon Janners.
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#11 of 38 posted
19 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
Yes I like Gladiolus byzantinus, the purple ones, but I ended up with the 'italicus' version, which is pink and did not like these too much, so they're gone... the wind here, which is ferocious, usually blew them all over in any case unfortunately..
Andrew,... you are quite right.. Cornish born and bred, but let me tell you, I've never heard of the word 'Janners', not ever, this is the first time for me.. in fact I don't remember anything relating to people from Devon in particular... I wonder if it's a newer term?... or perhaps I was brought up with such a degree of refinement that it simply passed me by?..[joke]…
..but please get the clotted cream right.... jam first !...
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Janner originated from the dockyards near Plymouth because the Cornish thought all Devon people were called Jan, the Devon form of John, like the song, "With Bill Brewer, Jan Stewer, Peter Gurney, Peter Davy, Dan'l Whiddon, Harry Hawke,...". It became Janner for a Devon person. It is used slightly derogatory but not offensively. My friend forgot the lead for her rather scruffy jack russell dog so used a piece of string and someone commented, "You got a roight janner dag there".
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#16 of 38 posted
19 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
lol.... ''and Old Uncle Tom Cobbly 'n all''... gosh that takes me back... I really didn't know that about Janner, that's interesting..
Talking of the 18th Century reminds me of smugglers in that area, of which some of my own family members were still involved into the 1960's [contraband watches from France].. we were all born and raised in old Cob thatched cottages on the banks of the Helford River... this is where we think Daphne du Maurier got it slightly wrong when she used 'Frenchman's Creek' for her novel because it's very much on the wrong side of the Helford.. it flows up from the south, and the object was to get your goods offloaded onto the London road heading north towards Jamaica Inn... so they would have used creeks flowing into the Helford from the north, such as Polwheveral, where I was born and all my family lived, and Porth Navas.. but these don't sound so romantic.. As anyone knows today who is driving around Frenchman's Creek, it's a long, winding road through twisting lanes, to get to the modern day London Road.. it's so much quicker if you're already on the north bank of the Helford... great scenery though, all around..
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People were singing it in the pub the other week. I was told recently when I only had a sun tan on my arms and around my neck that I had a janner tan.
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#18 of 38 posted
19 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
I'll really have to remember this word next time I speak to my niece... she lives in Devon... I'm sure she'll be nothing short of amused...
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#13 of 38 posted
19 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
Actually, reading Margaret's post, referring to Jennies, obviously this is a very old term, not modern... I'm wondering now if Janners was used more by middle to northern Cornish, those nearer the Devon border... as the old dialect from the town of St. Austell in Cornwall and heading towards Devon, had strong Devon influences.. people I knew who lived there used to talk that way, using word endings familiar in Devon, but different to those from where I come from [Falmouth]…
Examples are the words 'you' and 'we'.. pronounced 'youm' and 'we'm the further north you went in Cornwall, which is how they said it in parts of Devon so I understood...
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them'm, you still hear now. AND it's cream FRIST!
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#15 of 38 posted
19 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
ah yes... 'they'm' or however it's said.. and No !!!!!!.. lol...
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Here they're called Devonshire Teas, not Cream Teas. And I've never seen or heard of cream first. We do good Cornish pasties, too.
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And 'Devoniensis' is a cream Tea too! I think you'll find it's only the Cornish that do this abomination to their scones. A Cornish pasty is crimped around the edge whilst a Devon pasty is crimped across the top. They should only contain swede, teddies (potatoes), skirt beef and lots of pepper.
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Ah - it is good to see the conversation getting back to a ROSE! even though 'Devoniensis' has nothing to do with 'Crimson Glory'.
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#28 of 38 posted
20 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
That's a great quip there with Devoniensis.. made me laugh... and I crimp at the top too.. I think it looks better..
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#36 of 38 posted
28 JUL 19 by
bonbon
Photo please Patricia of the gladiolus you said you would post. Thanks
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It was nothing to do with ‘Crimson Glory’, so I added it that same day to My Garden photos. See here https://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/l.php?l=21.325512
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#38 of 38 posted
28 JUL 19 by
bonbon
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#22 of 38 posted
20 NOV 18 by
Jay-Jay
The climbing version does well at my place and Marnix's. It even forms nice big hips. Mine is in partial shade (pH high). And Marnix's is growing in a wet peat soil (pH low). Normally the Dutch climate is wet and cool.
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That's interesting Jay-Jay. I need another climber (you know how one always does...) and I wanted one to repeat flower, my soil is acidic and damp too.
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#24 of 38 posted
20 NOV 18 by
Jay-Jay
Tiffany Cl. and Sutter's Gold Cl. perform well too. Marnix is very content about the performance of his climbing Tea-rose Lady Hillingdon Cl. But that-one is planted near his house... Oops, I see now, that You already have this rose.
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No I don't grow it personally but look after it for other people up in the village. In both cases it is grown against south facing walls. I'm sure my garden would be too cold for it. 'Sutter's Gold' is interesting though.
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Beales' list Marie Nabonnand. You could ask them how it would go in your climate, if you're looking for a good red climber.
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#27 of 38 posted
20 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
Margaret, where did you see Beales listing this rose please? I don't see it, and have not done so as long as I can recall on the UK site... only under its old name of 'Mons. Tillier', and that went a long time ago..
I grow it here, it's doing very well, but I imported it from France.. I should add that I would love to have got it grafted...
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On its hmf page, Buy From / List all nurseries. If they no longer stock it, it strikes readily from cuttings, for sharing.
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I just want a rose that repeats quite well, It will be growing along wires in between plants of 'William Lobb' growing with 'Aschermittwoch' and 'Bleu Magenta' growing with 'Debutante'. None of those really repeat and I wanted flowers later in the year. It doesn't have to be red. There is a gap because I removed 'Variegata di Bologna' to a position where it will infect fewer roses with blackspot. My growing conditions are cool and damp in summer, in the past I had to get rid of roses like 'Compassion' and 'Breath of Life' because they didn't do. It is one reason I am so pleased that Jay-Jay's 'Noortje' rose is so healthy.
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#31 of 38 posted
21 NOV 18 by
Jay-Jay
In the future, You might try a same year's sibling of Noortje, if You would like to. http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.69581&tab=1 But You would have to root cuttings Yourselves or bud-graft Yourselves.
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#33 of 38 posted
21 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
Andrew,... this may not be your cup of tea but for a good repeating climber I grow 'Armada'... you can see some spectacular photos on HMF of it growing in France.. Mine is 6-8 foot but I have to prune it to keep in bounds.. I'd like half the rose shown by Maurice Reybaud for instance.. no disease issues here, and still in bloom today.. a great rose by Harkness.. and perhaps appropriate for a Devon garden when you consider good ol' Sir Francis...
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#32 of 38 posted
21 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
Margaret.. thank you, I hadn't thought of looking there.. although that list is from 2007 and out of date now, they've got rid of so many roses unfortunately... I don't think they've had this one within the last 5 years or so.. I haven't noticed it.. it's a good call though to name this one and I know it grows so well in Australia..
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Thanks Marlorna, my car's just failed its M.O.T. in a catastrophic manner, I don't think there'll be any more roses for the foreseeable :-(
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#35 of 38 posted
21 NOV 18 by
Marlorena
Oh I'm so sorry, but I know what it's like... best wishes for a speedy recovery.. or a Lotto win...
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Beautiful rose. Mine grew 6 feet tall and 6 feet wide in my zone 7 garden. Smelled great and produced a lot of flowers on a continuous basis.
But it will completely defoliate without regular spraying.
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