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'Anna de Diesbach' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 105-919
most recent 10 days ago HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 10 days ago by CybeRose
‪Proceedings of the New York Farmers‬ (1893) p. 12

Mr. Taylor: There is no such rose as the Gloire de Paris. The man who started that name was in France and found a very good rose and renamed it Gloire de Paris. It took three or four years before other growers saw the point, but after they did they began immediately to import it, but he had a corner on it for three or four years.
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Discussion id : 103-965
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Initial post 3 AUG by scvirginia
From L'horticulteur français, June, 1858, p.128:
ROSES NOUVELLES.
Hybrides.
Anna de Diesbach (Lacharme), fleur grande, pleine, beau rose carminé à reflets
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Discussion id : 66-866
most recent 3 MAR 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 SEP 12 by Patricia Routley
The earliest photos that HelpMeFind is listing are those of 2000.
Apart from 'The Old Rose Advisor' plate 97 of 'Anna de Diesbach' (and plate 90 of its parent La Reine') are there any other early photos of 'Anna de Diesbach' ?
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Reply #1 of 23 posted 10 SEP 12 by Margaret Furness
Hillary drew my attention to an illustration from Jamain's book - will post it. The rose circulated in Australia since the 1980s as Anna de Diesbach is in fact a re-named foundling, and it's possible that it is La Reine (roses sold as La Reine in Australia for a long time have been John Hopper). All very confusing. Whatever the rose is, it's a survivor, turning up in old gardens in all of our mainland states. There are photos of it currently under 'Name This Rose' on www.heritage.rose.org.au
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Reply #2 of 23 posted 10 SEP 12 by Patricia Routley
Margaret - the last sentence in the 1918 reference for 'La Reine' intimates that Forney and Jamain also show a portrait of 'La Reine'. It would be good to have a look at both portraits.
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Reply #3 of 23 posted 10 SEP 12 by jedmar
Is it possible to upload both engravings side-by-side for comparison?
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Reply #4 of 23 posted 10 SEP 12 by Margaret Furness
I couldn't find one of La Reine on websites re Jamain et Forney. A couple of the illustrations I found raised my eyebrows a bit - I'm not sure that the illustrations are reliable guides for identification.
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Reply #5 of 23 posted 20 FEB 16 by true-blue
If you go to the Val de Marne (L'Haÿ) site,
You can see two distinct photos, one from the Roseraie, the other from Loubert's.

Val de Marne
http://www.roseraieduvaldemarne.fr/ged/pic/images/8c2120c9306716a8db096ed042ef566e.jpg
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Reply #6 of 23 posted 20 FEB 16 by true-blue
Sorry for the truncated message. HMF for some reason doesn't like links very much.
Loubert's

http://www.roseraieduvaldemarne.fr/ged/pic/images/1083e1c3200e098b7aedeea968268fea.jpg
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Reply #7 of 23 posted 21 FEB 16 by billy teabag
Portraits of 'La Reine' and 'Anna de Diesbach'
from Jamain et Forney Les roses : histoire, culture, description
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Reply #8 of 23 posted 21 FEB 16 by true-blue
It would help to see both, as one image.
I did a single screen capture of both images for ease of comparison.

I hope you don't mind.
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Reply #9 of 23 posted 21 FEB 16 by billy teabag
Brilliant! Thank you.
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Reply #10 of 23 posted 21 FEB 16 by true-blue
Most welcome!
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Reply #11 of 23 posted 22 FEB 16 by billy teabag
Grateful as we are for any old images of these roses, I cannot help but wish that the artist showed us something of the profile of the bloom more often, as in the 'La Reine' plate.
We can see the columnar shape and the depth of the bloom here but can only guess at the ones painted face-on.
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Reply #12 of 23 posted 23 FEB 16 by true-blue
Hi Billy,

Your wish is granted :-)
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Reply #13 of 23 posted 23 FEB 16 by billy teabag
:) How good is that! Many thanks true-blue.
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Reply #14 of 23 posted 23 FEB 16 by true-blue
Stroke of luck!
I just added another of the two Anna's side by side.
They coloring is so different....
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Reply #15 of 23 posted 23 FEB 16 by billy teabag
Yes - I found two scanned copies of Jamain et Forney's Les Roses online and there was a lot of difference in the colour captured.
eg La Reine
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Reply #16 of 23 posted 23 FEB 16 by true-blue
Intriguing! The one to the left is a vibrant pink.
In case of Anna de Diesbach (from Journal des Roses) I wonder if the artist was being creative with the carmine pink, or was it truly its color?
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Reply #17 of 23 posted 23 FEB 16 by billy teabag
Maybe. The description's unambiguous - "a very beautiful carmine pink, shaded silver". Perhaps the printer had trouble getting the colour right then the paper has yellowed with age.
This is apparently what happened with the Alfred Parsons paintings that Ellen Willmott had printed in The Genus Rosa.
Graham Stuart Thomas said, "yellow pervaded to excess all tints of flower and leaf" [in 'The Genus Rosa'.]
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Reply #18 of 23 posted 23 FEB 16 by true-blue
Wow! What a difference!
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Reply #19 of 23 posted 2 MAR 16 by true-blue
Another B &W photo!
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Reply #20 of 23 posted 2 MAR 16 by Margaret Furness
Looks like Biltmore had a ring-in (wrong rose) - the petal count doesn't look enough for the original picture. Or did something happen to Anna de Diesbach between 1871 and 1878 (see post number 12). Or does it double its petal count at times, the way Teas do?
If Anna de Diesbach can look like the Biltmore pictures, then the foundling that turns up in many places in Aus is more likely La Reine than Anna.
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Reply #21 of 23 posted 3 MAR 16 by true-blue
This is the description from the catalg in the ref.
Website/Catalog (1913) Page(s) 10. Includes photo(s).

Hybrid Perpetual Roses.
Anne de Diesbach
A Rose of brilliant carmine, giving satisfaction everywhere because of the stability of color and fragrance. It blooms over a long period and is one of the most serviceable of the garden Roses. The flowers are heavy, large and double, giving a fluffy effect when fully opened. The buds are long and pointed and balance gracefully upon the stem. The plant is of robust growth, the spreading stems having the pleasing effect of riotousness. It can be successfully grown in any part of the United States or lower Canada, and is becoming more popular every year- as it becomes better known.
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Reply #22 of 23 posted 3 MAR 16 by billy teabag
The buds in the photo match those in the Journal des Roses portrait very well and the profile of the bloom looks right.
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Reply #23 of 23 posted 3 MAR 16 by Margaret Furness
Agreed. I'm just having trouble reconciling some of the profile views with the fullness of the en face ones. Maybe it's technical (and I should have thought of that) - the profile views can't show the cushion of petals tucked inside the flower.
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Discussion id : 91-104
most recent 24 FEB 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 FEB 16 by true-blue
Le Journal des Roses - Avril 1878 p.58
(Translation follows)

M. Lacharme, l'habile et l'intelligent semeur de rosiers de Lyon, est l'heureux obtenteur de la belle rose Anna de Diesbach que représente notre gravure.— Il l'a dédiée à la demoiselle de madame la comtesse de Diesbach, amateur de roses à Fribourg (Suisse).

Cette variété, qui figure en premier rang comme mérite dans toutes les collections, vient d'un semis de la rose la Reine fait par M. Lacharme en 1849 ; il la cultiva pendant près de dix années pour bien l'étudier, et c'est après l'avoir appréciée à sa juste valeur qu'il se décida à la livrer au commerce au mois de novembre 1858. — Au mois de juin de la même année elle avait parue à l'Exposition de Lyon, où elle obtint comme bien modeste prix une médaille de bronze.

Une récompense plus grande l'attendait dans le monde horticole qui a su l'apprécier à sa juste valeur, c'est la vogue générale obtenue rapidement par cette précieuse variété que l'on cultive par milliers de pieds dans les pépinières de la Brie, et dont les gracieux boutons sont si recherchés par les fleuristes qui en font de si ravissants bouquets.

Le rosier Anna de Diesbach, qui n'est peut être pas assez prodigue de ses délicieuses fleurs, est un arbuste très-vigoureux et se tenant bien, ses fleurs très-grandes, bien faites, sont d'un très-beau rose carminé, nuancé-argenté.

Very loose translation (feel free to improve!)

Mr. Lacharme, the clever and intelligent rose hybridizer from Lyon, is the proud breeder of the beautiful rose Anna de Diesbach represented in our gravure. It was dedicated to the daughter of the Countess of Diesbach, rose amateur in Fribourg (Switzerland).
This variety, one of best, is a seedling of La Reine grown by Mr Lacharme in 1849; Under observation for 10 years, he introduce it in November 1858. In June of same year it won obtained a modest bronze medal at the Lyon Exhibition,

The horticultural world is appreciating it for its true value; by popular demand its being grown by the thousands in the nurseries of Brie, whose graceful buttons are so sought after by florists that use them in charming bouquets.
The Rose Anna Diesbach, who may not be quite generous with its delightful flowers, is a free standing, very vigorous shrub with very large flowers, well formed with a very beautiful pink carmine, silver-tinged shade.
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