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'Rosa chinensis Jacq.' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 87-710
most recent 3 AUG 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 SEP 15 by LIONEL41
I may be idiot but when type in 'R. chinensis semperflorens' ALL things vaguely chinensis lumped in with IT ?????????????????????????????????
Reply #1 of 3 posted 6 SEP 15 by jedmar
Yes, it is a beauty with many names....
Reply #2 of 3 posted 29 JUL 16 by scvirginia
I agree that it is troublesome to have varieties, such as 'Slater's Crimson China' "lumped in" with the species names. Yes, we can say that Slater's is a variety of R. chinensis, Semperflorens, etc., but in order for these to be synonymous, every example of R. chinensis would then need to be the same as 'Slater's'. Such is not the case.

There is a mingling of species and varietal names attached to this record that does make it look a bit like an All-things-China dumping ground. I think this record would be more useful and less confusing if the names were sorted out with more discrimination; I do think that some- such as 'Slater's'/ "Belfield" and 'Bengale pourpre semi-double' (hidden name)- need their own records. Sub-categories of R. indica such as diversifolia might warrant separate records as well?

Reply #3 of 3 posted 3 AUG 16 by jedmar
'Slater's Crimson China' is supposed to be R. chinensis semperflorens, and not only Belfield. The older references show the synonyms.
Discussion id : 89-092
most recent 7 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 NOV 15 by CybeRose
An Account of the Empire of China (1732)
The author had a rather vague sense of "rose". What he described might be a rose, or perhaps a double hibiscus. He goes on, without a pause, to describe the "meu tan" (moutan), which is a tree peony.

On page 39 paragraph 3 he wrote, "In the Philippine Islands I several times saw a particular sort of Rose, tho at Rome I was told some parts of Italy afforded it; to make it altogether wonderful, it wants the smell. They place a Nose-gay of them on an Altar in the Morning, till Noon it preserves its whiteness, which is not inferior to Snow; from ten till two it changes by degrees to a glorious Red, and at five turns to a most perfect Colour.

This "rose" is presumably Hibiscus mutabilis.
Discussion id : 89-091
most recent 7 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 NOV 15 by CybeRose
The Universal Botanist and Nurseryman, Vol. I - 1770
This description is taken from Linnaeus' Species Plantarum, and referred to a plant similar to Rosa cymosa Trattinick (R. microcarpa Lindley).

Lindley wrote that he could not find a Rosa species that fit Linnaeus' description. He then recycled "indica" for a different species.

Therefore, Rosa indica L is not the same as R. indica Lindl.
Discussion id : 18-047
most recent 14 OCT 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 16 APR 07 by Roseraie "Roses de Normandie"
The rose presented here is not Rosa diversifolia (Ventenat). Ventenat in 1800 described it as single (5 petals) has shown by the joinned drowing made by Redouté.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 14 OCT 15 by CybeRose
Ventenat explained that the name R. semperflorens could not be accepted for this rose because it had already been used for the "tous les mois."

He went on to write, "Le citoyen Cels cultive deux varietes de la Rosa diversifolia; l'une dont les fleurs sont presque doubles, et l'autre dont les petales sont blanchatres."

Thus, the name Rosa diversifolia was not limited to the single-flowered specimen he described, nor to a particular flower color.
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