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'Rosa chinensis Jacq.' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 89-092
most recent 7 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 NOV 15 by CybeRose
An Account of the Empire of China (1732)
The author had a rather vague sense of "rose". What he described might be a rose, or perhaps a double hibiscus. He goes on, without a pause, to describe the "meu tan" (moutan), which is a tree peony.

On page 39 paragraph 3 he wrote, "In the Philippine Islands I several times saw a particular sort of Rose, tho at Rome I was told some parts of Italy afforded it; to make it altogether wonderful, it wants the smell. They place a Nose-gay of them on an Altar in the Morning, till Noon it preserves its whiteness, which is not inferior to Snow; from ten till two it changes by degrees to a glorious Red, and at five turns to a most perfect Colour.

This "rose" is presumably Hibiscus mutabilis.
Discussion id : 89-091
most recent 7 NOV 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 NOV 15 by CybeRose
The Universal Botanist and Nurseryman, Vol. I - 1770
This description is taken from Linnaeus' Species Plantarum, and referred to a plant similar to Rosa cymosa Trattinick (R. microcarpa Lindley).

Lindley wrote that he could not find a Rosa species that fit Linnaeus' description. He then recycled "indica" for a different species.

Therefore, Rosa indica L is not the same as R. indica Lindl.
Discussion id : 18-047
most recent 14 OCT 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 16 APR 07 by Roseraie "Roses de Normandie"
The rose presented here is not Rosa diversifolia (Ventenat). Ventenat in 1800 described it as single (5 petals) has shown by the joinned drowing made by Redouté.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 14 OCT 15 by CybeRose
Ventenat explained that the name R. semperflorens could not be accepted for this rose because it had already been used for the "tous les mois."

He went on to write, "Le citoyen Cels cultive deux varietes de la Rosa diversifolia; l'une dont les fleurs sont presque doubles, et l'autre dont les petales sont blanchatres."

Thus, the name Rosa diversifolia was not limited to the single-flowered specimen he described, nor to a particular flower color.
Discussion id : 87-820
most recent 13 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 SEP 15 by CybeRose
Paxton's Horticultural Register vol. 4, no. 47, pp. 187-188 (May 1835)
Edited by James Main, A.L.S.
Mr. Slater, among several other Chinese plants which he introduced, is said to have introduced the Rosa semperflorens; but we have reason to believe that that was received through some other channel. The small red, scentless species, or variety, called by the Chinese, Cha-kune, was received by Mr. Slater in 1790, and flowered, for the first time, in his collection in 1791; but the R. semperflorens was not then among his imported plants.
Note: James Main was Slater's gardener. Slater sent him to China to collect more plants in 1792. Slater died in 1793, before Main returned in 1794. Subsequently, Main went to work for George Hibbert, esq.
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