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'Rosa chinensis Jacq.' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 18-047
most recent 14 OCT 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 16 APR 07 by Roseraie "Roses de Normandie"
The rose presented here is not Rosa diversifolia (Ventenat). Ventenat in 1800 described it as single (5 petals) has shown by the joinned drowing made by Redouté.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 14 OCT 15 by CybeRose
Ventenat explained that the name R. semperflorens could not be accepted for this rose because it had already been used for the "tous les mois."

He went on to write, "Le citoyen Cels cultive deux varietes de la Rosa diversifolia; l'une dont les fleurs sont presque doubles, et l'autre dont les petales sont blanchatres."

Thus, the name Rosa diversifolia was not limited to the single-flowered specimen he described, nor to a particular flower color.
Discussion id : 87-820
most recent 13 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 SEP 15 by CybeRose
Paxton's Horticultural Register vol. 4, no. 47, pp. 187-188 (May 1835)
Edited by James Main, A.L.S.
Mr. Slater, among several other Chinese plants which he introduced, is said to have introduced the Rosa semperflorens; but we have reason to believe that that was received through some other channel. The small red, scentless species, or variety, called by the Chinese, Cha-kune, was received by Mr. Slater in 1790, and flowered, for the first time, in his collection in 1791; but the R. semperflorens was not then among his imported plants.
Note: James Main was Slater's gardener. Slater sent him to China to collect more plants in 1792. Slater died in 1793, before Main returned in 1794. Subsequently, Main went to work for George Hibbert, esq.
Discussion id : 87-819
most recent 13 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 SEP 15 by CybeRose
The 1747 reference is a bit confusing.

"That which the Chineses call Mew-tan, or Queen of Flowers, is certainly, says our Author, the most beautiful in the World, and ought only to be handled by Kings and Princes. Its Smell is very delightful, and it is thick of reddish Leaves; which will divert even Melancholy itself."

This passage refers to a peony (moutan), not to the possible rose mentioned in the preceding sentence.
Discussion id : 77-203
most recent 17 MAR 14 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 17 MAR 14 by CybeRose
Nicolaas Laurens Burman, in Flora Indica (1768), cited "Foo-seu vulgo Ibara. Kaempf. amoen. 862." under Rosa indica.

Amoenitatum exoticarum (1712)
Engelbert Kaempfer

Foo sen, it. Kinso qua, vulgo Ibara, it. Igi, i.e. spina, Igino fanna, i.e. flos spinae, vel mutuato a Lusitanis vocabulo: Rosa. Rosa frutex spinosus nostras. Non habet eam odoris gratiam, quam in Europa vel Asia occidentali. Varietates sunt:
Rosa hortensis flore pleno albo.
Eadem flore rubro.
Rosa sylvestris flore pentapetalo, odore perdulci.
Eadem flore candido.

Not as pleasantly scented as those of Europe and western Asia.
Double white garden rose.
The same, with red flowers.
Wild rose with 5 petals and sweet scented.
The same, with white flowers.

These descriptions are too brief to be identified with any particular species.
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