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'Lady Mann' rose Reviews & Comments
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Does anyone know how the 'Lady Mann' in commerce in Australia came to be found and identified as 'Lady Mann'?
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I know this is late, and may mean nothing, but looking through the references I noticed that all the original ones (ie: 1940's) make no mention of scent, at all. It's only modern references than mention it.
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But it might mean something. 'Lady Mann's parent was 'Lorraine Lee' and Alister Clark himself said in 1924 that 'Lorraine Lee' had "moderate" scent. I seem to remember Margaret saying something like "if it is fragrant, it is not a tea". (Although if 'Lady Mann' was a seedling it might have inherited fragrance from its pollen parent). There is always the possibility that the 'Lady Mann' found in Alister Clark's old garden* was not the original rose and went out misnamed.
*Where, oh where did that gem of information come from? Oh dear, another search - I never get any work done here.
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Billy can smell all sorts of things in Teas; I don't have the Nose. I said "If it smells good, it ain't Tea", referring in particular to the rose sold as Francis Dubreuil.
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*I have an email from a friend dated October 9, 2011 which says:
'Lady Mann' came from Glenara but John [Nieuwesteeg} does not know for sure that it is correct.
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Could I request some more identifying photos of 'Lady Mann' this Australian spring season?
Buds, leaves, pedicel, canes and bush? Thanks.
Patricia
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6 OCT 14 by
Jane Z
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my Lady Mann went to god a few years ago, however I'd note that her growth habit & structure was not like the bush form of LL, but much more akin to that of Lady Huntingfield. (Am not trying to suggest there is relationship between LM & LH, merely that they are structurally very similar).
Some early references to LM described a 'dwarf habit' with long stems, (wel, perhaps in contrast to very tall hybrid teas), but mine aachieved a height of approx 1.2+m, but a greater 'wingspan', as typically does Lady H.
Alister Clark suggested in 1940 that LM would make a good hedge rose, undoubtedly true.
Interesting that Grimwades had 2 sports of LL in their collection. Presumably Mrs Russell Grimwade, as a sport, had the same growth habit/structure as LL & BB, which is quite different to the Lady Mann that I purchased.
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Does anyone know how 'Lady Mann' compares with 'Mrs Russell Grimwade', said to be a sport of 'Lorraine Lee' but a darker colour? Has anyone met anyone who has ever seen 'Mrs RG'?
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The fuchsia pink of (the sport) ‘Mrs. Russell Grimwade’; and the rosy salmon of the original (bred) ‘Lady Mann’ is the only comparison that I can pick up on a brief look at the two files.
I have often wondered if there is any connection here with “Mrs. Val Nash” (syn “Rosehedge Cottage”).
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For the very little it is worth, 'Mrs Val Nash' seems to lack the Gigantea transparency of Lorraine Lee, Lady Mann, Squatter's Dream and (maybe) Baxter Beauty.
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While some roses in commerce in Australia as 'Lady Mann' have a smooth pedicel, the rose I saw at Kodja Place, Kojonup, WA last weekend, under this name had a definite glandular prickly pedicel.
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