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Discussion id : 106-069
most recent 20 OCT HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 OCT by NikosR
(How) are we sure that the referenced parent of this rose is the reddish bourbon 'Madame Desprez' and not the white China by the same name and breeder?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 19 OCT by jedmar
We cannot be sure. The first time 'Mme Desprez' has been mentioned as parent of SdlM is in 1879, 35 years after the rose was introduced. Hearsay or based on lost documents, who knows? However, SdlM was from the very beginning listed as a Bourbon rose. It then makes sense that at least one of its parents was a Bourbon. As roses are very variable it is not surprising when a red rose has white offspring.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 20 OCT by NikosR
Thank you. My question was a bit sneaky.. Being a progeny of a China and a Tea would go far in explaining this rose's atypical bush form, habit and floriferousness for a 'bourbon' IMO.
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Discussion id : 4-959
most recent 18 MAY 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
We were given this rose as a gift and do not know how to care for it re temperature, sunlight, etc. please give me some information on how to care for this rose - I am afraid of it dying, I am not sure it is rea healthy at this moment. Thanks Kathy
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 5 JAN 04 by The Old Rosarian
Souvenir de la Malmaison is a Bourbon rose with a wonderful fragrance. It is hardy to zone 5 which means it will survive in snow.The rose likes to be fertilzed twice, once after the first flush of blooms and then in the middle of summer and it prefers full sun. It is a slow grower but finally makes a bush about 4 feet tall.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 26 DEC 05 by Unregistered Guest
I agree with Patricia - this rose has absolutely no fragrance! It was the first rose I ever bought, on the recommendation of a nurseryman who said it had a wonderful fragrance, which is my major criteria for roses. I gave it to a friend, who also could not detect a whiff of anything!
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 18 MAY 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
You are right. I didn't smell any scent from that rose at Chicago Botanical Garden.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
They are very hard to kill. I have had an enormous number of hybrid teas which became diseased and died within a few years. But I have had this one in zone 9B for about 20 years. It gets very little water and not much fertilizer and no special care whatever and yet it blooms multiple times per year with flowers of a gorgeous pink shade. We seldom have freezes this far south and when we do they are just for a day or two but it has never required any special care either winter or summer.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 15 MAR 09 by domenico67
No matter who gave you you plant, if it's not fragrant it's absolutely not Souvenir d. l. m.! Maybe it's not the most fragrant rose ever, nevertheless it definitely has to be classified as highly fragrant, half old rose and half tea rose.
Even old flowers retain a lot of scent, even on small young plants.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 15 MAR 09 by Cass
Hmmm. That's not completely true for every nose in every climate. I have a decent nose, but SdlM is not the fragrant in the garden in our dry Mediterranean climate. It helps to bring to rose into the house. Then the complexity of the fragrance can be appreciated. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there are noses that cannot detect the fragrance in my climate.
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 15 MAR 09 by domenico67
I know what you mean... some varieties are prone to being smelled quite different by different noses and)or in different climates...
for example, Sombreuil: it's almost worldwide beloved (and even purposely grown) for its fragrance, but I only can find it rather bad smelling, which is a pity because I think it's a beautiful flower! Or Charles de Mills, rated as poorly or at best mildly fragrant in UK, which instead gives powerful and wonderful pure gallica scent in Italy (for everybody I asked about, at least)...
But I didn't think Sdlm was one of such varieties! There are many cultivars that seem not prone to this issue, and are always very fragrant to everybody everywhere.
I grew Sdlm (or I saw and smelled it!) in some very different climates here in Italy, and it was very constant in it fragrance, which I found every time being the same, even being not my favourite (I much prefer damask, gallica, alba tones, which you can find also in many bourbon or even modern roses) neither the strongest in my opinion (but always very well detectable for sure).
I find its scent similar, amongst modern roses, to that Jardins de Bagatelle, which also has somewhat similar colours, both in intensity and quality.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 15 MAR 09 by Cass
If your rose is strongly fragrant all the time and in garden, it is possible we are not growing the same rose, regardless of what the labels say. I'm not saying our rose in commerce is the right one or the wrong one, only that it is a different one. Only a miniscule proportion of the old roses in commerce have a clear, unequivocal history connecting them to a known, labeled cultivar in a respected botanical collection. The vast majority are found roses that have been assigned names by rosarians with different levels of expertise at identifying roses.

Or perhaps our noses which are similar in detecting the fragrance don't detect its intensity the same way. Many variables could be at work.

As for Charles de Mills, I believe there are two different roses being sold under this name. I have the one that smells like hay or straw. Even in the USA, there is an alternative, strongly fragrant rose sold as Charles de Mills.
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Discussion id : 84-736
most recent 6 MAY 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 MAY 15 by Give me caffeine
I don't grow SdlM, and don't intend to get it, but when I was making notes on roses a while back I found a tip in one of the local books.

I haven't tried it yet, so don't know if it will work, but it may be useful for someone. If it does work, it could be tried on other roses that are susceptible to balling. Obviously you wouldn't try to do a whole bush in the pouring rain, but it may be a way of getting a bunch of cut flowers or whatever.

This is from Yates' "Roses: A practical guide to over 300 roses for Australia and New Zealand" (ISBN 0 7322 7071 5) and is referring to SdlM:

"If flowers ball in wet weather, they can be gently teased apart and blown on. They should then open perfectly."
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 6 MAY 15 by Nastarana
Obsessed rose growers out after the rain, blow drying their roses!
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 MAY 15 by Give me caffeine
It'd make for a great comedy skit. Monty Python would have done it well.
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Discussion id : 61-990
most recent 30 MAR 15 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 14 FEB 12 by oldrosezrule
Can anyone tell me if SDLM really does get to "6 feet" wide as I have read online in various places? I keep reading it gets 3-4 feet TALL, but need to know the "average" width, zone 9b, if that helps at all. Thanks!
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 14 FEB 12 by Nastarana
Not for me. SDLM. S. de St. Anne, and Madame Cornilesson all grew about 3-4' tall and not quite as wide as tall.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 14 FEB 12 by oldrosezrule
Thank you! I had a feeling that 6 feet wide was not right. I've been looking at photos of grown shrubs (the few photos that show the entire bush) and it sure doesn't look like 6 feet across or anything close to it. Thanks again for your reply.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 30 MAR 15 by Matt's North Texas Rose Garden
When it is young I would agree with you. A well cared for plant 10 or more years old in an ideal location can get quite large and show vigor that one would not usually expect from this rose.
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