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'Souvenir de la Malmaison' rose Reviews & Comments
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Horticulturist (1855): 18-21
BUDDED ROSES by THOMAS MEEHAN, GERMANTOWN, PHILADELPHIA, PA.
"Those who have never seen Souvenir de la Malmaison on the Dog Rose stock, frequently as they may have seen it on its own roots in very varied circumstances, have yet to see the perfection of Rose-culture—not to say floriculture of any kind."
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Can anyone tell me if SDLM really does get to "6 feet" wide as I have read online in various places? I keep reading it gets 3-4 feet TALL, but need to know the "average" width, zone 9b, if that helps at all. Thanks!
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Not for me. SDLM. S. de St. Anne, and Madame Cornilesson all grew about 3-4' tall and not quite as wide as tall.
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Thank you! I had a feeling that 6 feet wide was not right. I've been looking at photos of grown shrubs (the few photos that show the entire bush) and it sure doesn't look like 6 feet across or anything close to it. Thanks again for your reply.
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Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
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We were given this rose as a gift and do not know how to care for it re temperature, sunlight, etc. please give me some information on how to care for this rose - I am afraid of it dying, I am not sure it is rea healthy at this moment. Thanks Kathy
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Souvenir de la Malmaison is a Bourbon rose with a wonderful fragrance. It is hardy to zone 5 which means it will survive in snow.The rose likes to be fertilzed twice, once after the first flush of blooms and then in the middle of summer and it prefers full sun. It is a slow grower but finally makes a bush about 4 feet tall.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 26 DEC 05 by Unregistered Guest
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I agree with Patricia - this rose has absolutely no fragrance! It was the first rose I ever bought, on the recommendation of a nurseryman who said it had a wonderful fragrance, which is my major criteria for roses. I gave it to a friend, who also could not detect a whiff of anything!
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 25 FEB 04 by Unregistered Guest
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They are very hard to kill. I have had an enormous number of hybrid teas which became diseased and died within a few years. But I have had this one in zone 9B for about 20 years. It gets very little water and not much fertilizer and no special care whatever and yet it blooms multiple times per year with flowers of a gorgeous pink shade. We seldom have freezes this far south and when we do they are just for a day or two but it has never required any special care either winter or summer.
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No matter who gave you you plant, if it's not fragrant it's absolutely not Souvenir d. l. m.! Maybe it's not the most fragrant rose ever, nevertheless it definitely has to be classified as highly fragrant, half old rose and half tea rose.
Even old flowers retain a lot of scent, even on small young plants.
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 15 MAR 09 by  Cass
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Hmmm. That's not completely true for every nose in every climate. I have a decent nose, but SdlM is not the fragrant in the garden in our dry Mediterranean climate. It helps to bring to rose into the house. Then the complexity of the fragrance can be appreciated. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there are noses that cannot detect the fragrance in my climate.
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I know what you mean... some varieties are prone to being smelled quite different by different noses and)or in different climates...
for example, Sombreuil: it's almost worldwide beloved (and even purposely grown) for its fragrance, but I only can find it rather bad smelling, which is a pity because I think it's a beautiful flower! Or Charles de Mills, rated as poorly or at best mildly fragrant in UK, which instead gives powerful and wonderful pure gallica scent in Italy (for everybody I asked about, at least)...
But I didn't think Sdlm was one of such varieties! There are many cultivars that seem not prone to this issue, and are always very fragrant to everybody everywhere.
I grew Sdlm (or I saw and smelled it!) in some very different climates here in Italy, and it was very constant in it fragrance, which I found every time being the same, even being not my favourite (I much prefer damask, gallica, alba tones, which you can find also in many bourbon or even modern roses) neither the strongest in my opinion (but always very well detectable for sure).
I find its scent similar, amongst modern roses, to that Jardins de Bagatelle, which also has somewhat similar colours, both in intensity and quality.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 15 MAR 09 by Cass
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If your rose is strongly fragrant all the time and in garden, it is possible we are not growing the same rose, regardless of what the labels say. I'm not saying our rose in commerce is the right one or the wrong one, only that it is a different one. Only a miniscule proportion of the old roses in commerce have a clear, unequivocal history connecting them to a known, labeled cultivar in a respected botanical collection. The vast majority are found roses that have been assigned names by rosarians with different levels of expertise at identifying roses.
Or perhaps our noses which are similar in detecting the fragrance don't detect its intensity the same way. Many variables could be at work.
As for Charles de Mills, I believe there are two different roses being sold under this name. I have the one that smells like hay or straw. Even in the USA, there is an alternative, strongly fragrant rose sold as Charles de Mills.
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SDLM has graced my garden for nine years. It is winter hardy from stem to stern. Repeat is a bit slow, but not bad for this class. She doesn't like being pruned at all. Clip off dry ends and dead bits, dead head and leave her be. SDLM gets large even in zone 5, 6+ ft. I get a bit of powdery mildew in August, but nothing major. She likes an airy space with room to breath.
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