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'Cerise Bouquet' rose Reviews & Comments
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This is the oddest rose I've ever known - I've had it in my garden for nearly 20 years and I still don't understand its habit. Luckily I do have tons of room for it - I placed it in a fairly undesirable location out along the road (shady most of the day other than mornings, no supplemental irrigation) and it's gotten very large with stiff octopus canes that nearly reach into the road. It is interesting that each lateral produces a single flower on a long stem, which must be why it shouldn't be pruned or deadheaded - you'd essentially be cutting off all the laterals!
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How would you rate the vigour of this rose? I am perplexed; one died on me; another almost did so,but in a strange way: the mother plant was declining dramatically, but had suckered and I saved one of these and potted it up; it is now growing vigourously. I hope to plant it out in the ground next year,but wonder why the previous plants failed so badly.Have I been too superficial about it, treatling it like a rambler instead of a regular climber?
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#1 of 3 posted
3 MAY 19 by
 jedmar
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We have one which is 12 years old, in Zone 7b. It is very vigorous, the main trunk having a diameter of about 10 cm and having 6-7 thick side canes, up to a height of 4-5 m. It is not a rambler, but more like a tall-growing shrub - like a botanical rose, more or less. I will upload some photos from today.
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#2 of 3 posted
4 MAY 19 by
eihblin
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How long did it take for yours to "get going"; i.e., to establish itself and really take off? I've heard contradictory things about this rose: someone said it is a very slow starter, another said it was very fast...
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#3 of 3 posted
5 MAY 19 by
jedmar
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About 4-5 years - it is really not in a sunny location
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2 DEC 17 by
NikosR
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How can one remove spent blooms without deadheading? I wonder..
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Try a leaf blower, It works quite well on roses and camellias too.
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#2 of 13 posted
2 DEC 17 by
NikosR
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It doesn't work if one wants to encourage re-bloom..
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#3 of 13 posted
2 DEC 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Try this: Look up deadheading in the Glossary in the left column. There You might find the answer to Your question. And look at the photo's tab too: http://www.helpmefind.com/gardening/gl.php?n=297&tab=36
Pluck the spent flower like an apple (with stem) at the right place, where there is a weak point, and the flower-stem thickens and later on forms cork when rejecting/getting rid of the spent flower or hip.
And take a look this picture of Étoile de Hollande Cl. as an example.
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#4 of 13 posted
15 DEC 17 by
NikosR
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I'm well aware of this. How does that answer my orginal question which is in reference to the details in the rose entry? How can one remove spent blooms without deadheading one way or the other? In my book removing spent blooms = deadheading
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I guess the description means deadhead (remove what might make a hip) - blasting dead petals with a leaf-blower might not do that.
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The leaf-blower will only remove dead petals, I think the only way to remove what might make a hip is to do so as Jay-Jay wrote, that is by hand.
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#6 of 13 posted
15 DEC 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Cutting the whole plant to the ground? ;-)
Maybe Your question isn't clear to the reader.
You might explain/describe what You mean or want to.
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#8 of 13 posted
15 DEC 17 by
NikosR
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The entry for this particular rose mentions amongst other things: 'Remove spent blooms to encourage re-bloom... ...Do not dead head'. I suggest one can't have one's cake and eat it too.
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#9 of 13 posted
15 DEC 17 by
Jay-Jay
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Oh, now I understand... those lines/advices contradict each-other.
This would be an issue for the administrator, c.q. Patricia Routley.
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c.q.? I am but one of the, admittedly very few, administrators Jay-Jay.
I don't grow this rose and more's the pity.....so I have added a few more references to find out. There are two U.K. references which say there is some autumn repeat, so perhaps if one did dead-head, it might produce more of an autumn crop. It apparently doesn't repeat as a rule. I have removed the "Remove spent blooms to encourage rebloom" line.
Taking a clue from the 2000 reference, as it is a very thorny rose perhaps our description might need some extra words - No need to dead head unless you have chain mesh skin.
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It's interesting that the various references contradict each other, some say not recurrent or does not reflower whilst others say good second crop or another goodly flush. Perhaps it has something to do with growing conditions or cultivation? And good luck with deadheading a rose that grows 3.5m x 3.5m however you decide to do it!
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#12 of 13 posted
16 DEC 17 by
Jay-Jay
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In Dutch it means A or B. I meant an administrator and maybe in this case Patricia.
I apologize for the misunderstanding of the English meaning of c.q..
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Andrew - Am grinning.
Jay-Jay - I can't speak/read a word of Dutch so you are way ahead of me.
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3 JAN 15 by
styrax
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One of the surviving roses in the Snug Harbor rose garden in Staten Island, NY. Nice foliage.
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