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'Madame de Watteville' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 109-792
most recent 12 JUL SHOW ALL
Initial post 5 APR by HubertG
There's an excellent early 'portrait' photograph of 'Mme de Watteville' here at this site:

I've written to the institution asking for permission to upload the photo but at this stage they haven't given a definite answer. If they do say it's OK I'll certainly post it here.

It is a very distinctive style, you can understand what they mean about it being called the 'Butterfly Rose' with those large reflexed outer petals.
For what it's worth, just looking at all the photos of 'Kombacy Marianne', it really doesn't seem to be the same as Mme de Watteville'. Well, no one has posted opening buds looking like this, in any case.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 APR by Patricia Routley
It is a beautiful plate HubertG.
I can recognise those outer butterfly petals in the plate - and in many of the photos on HelpMeFind.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 5 APR by HubertG
OK, you'd know better than myself. I haven't grown it. It just didn't look like it overall to me from the photos.
There's also a few good plates of Mme Hoste (probably the best I've seen) so I do hope they let us upload them.

Maybe someone could post some photos of Kombacy Marianne in that early bud stage showing that formation in the Lincoln photo.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 6 APR by Margaret Furness
John Hook identified "Kombacy Marianne" as being the same as the Mme de Watteville from the Fineschi collection. I don't know the provenance of the Fineschi rose.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 6 APR by HubertG
I suspect that this 'Mme de Watteville' photographed by Edwin Hale Lincoln was a florist grown rose that he purchased for the occasion. The other roses he photographed in a similar fashion were Perle des Jardins, Sunset, Mme Hoste and the Bride, which all seem to be the popular glasshouse roses at the time. There is a Mrs Pierpont Morgan too - a haven't noticed that in particular being a florist rose but it was probably available. I'm only speculating here. Maybe he grew them all, but if his Mme de Watteville was grown in a glasshouse, perhaps the form shown in the photograph isn't typical of an open ground grown rose.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 12 JUL by HubertG
Just reporting in on the Edwin Hale Lincoln photograph of 'Mme de Watteville'.
They've just got back to me and unfortunately the committee who manages the collection advise that they can't let us upload the actual photos here, but are happy to allow links to the rose photos in the collection.

I'll try to link everything in the next day or so. They are certainly worth looking at.
Discussion id : 96-125
most recent 4 DEC 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 1 DEC 16 by John Hook
For Info, there are versions of MDW around Europe and the States that originated commercially from Beales. This rose is almost certainly what we know as 'Mlle. Franziska Kruger'
Reply #1 of 4 posted 1 DEC 16 by Margaret Furness
A rose circulating in Aus as Mme de Watteville, based on an ID in Australia in the early days of Heritage Roses, is Mme Joseph Schwartz. As shown by reversion to Comtesse de Labarthe in at least two locations. See photo 85479.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 1 DEC 16 by Patricia Routley
Thanks to both of you. Noted.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 4 DEC 16 by billy teabag
And another - 'Etoile de Lyon' has also been sold under the name Mme de Watteville.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 4 DEC 16 by Patricia Routley
Also noted. I presume that was in Australia. Thanks.
Discussion id : 78-397
most recent 21 MAY 14 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 MAY 14 by John Hook
See pics I have uploaded of Mme de Watteville
Reply #1 of 1 posted 21 MAY 14 by Margaret Furness
You're right, It does look the same as the Fineschi clone of Mme de Watteville: thank you..
Discussion id : 75-180
most recent 18 NOV 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 18 NOV 13 by Gartenjockels kleine gaerten
did anyone check the plant that is labelled 'madame de watteville' at lyon's parc de la tĂȘte d'or after sarah owens had photographed it in 2009?
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