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'Madame de Watteville' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 96-125
most recent 4 DEC 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 1 DEC 16 by John Hook
For Info, there are versions of MDW around Europe and the States that originated commercially from Beales. This rose is almost certainly what we know as 'Mlle. Franziska Kruger'
Reply #1 of 4 posted 1 DEC 16 by Margaret Furness
A rose circulating in Aus as Mme de Watteville, based on an ID in Australia in the early days of Heritage Roses, is Mme Joseph Schwartz. As shown by reversion to Comtesse de Labarthe in at least two locations. See photo 85479.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 1 DEC 16 by Patricia Routley
Thanks to both of you. Noted.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 4 DEC 16 by billy teabag
And another - 'Etoile de Lyon' has also been sold under the name Mme de Watteville.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 4 DEC 16 by Patricia Routley
Also noted. I presume that was in Australia. Thanks.
Discussion id : 78-397
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Initial post 20 MAY 14 by John Hook
See pics I have uploaded of Mme de Watteville
Reply #1 of 1 posted 21 MAY 14 by Margaret Furness
You're right, It does look the same as the Fineschi clone of Mme de Watteville: thank you..
Discussion id : 75-180
most recent 18 NOV 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 18 NOV 13 by Gartenjockels kleine gaerten
did anyone check the plant that is labelled 'madame de watteville' at lyon's parc de la tête d'or after sarah owens had photographed it in 2009?
Discussion id : 65-043
most recent 14 JUN 12 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 JUN 12 by John Hook
This is currently flowering very similar to Mme de Watteville (Fineschi) in our garden
Reply #1 of 6 posted 14 JUN 12 by Margaret Furness
That's intriguing. But looking at some of the illustrations on the Mme de Watteville file, there must be more than one rose using the Mme de Watteville name - Dirk Rojan's photo couldn't be "Kombacy Marianne" as it grows for me.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 14 JUN 12 by Patricia Routley
But David Elliott’s photo of ‘Mme. De Watteville’ of June 21, 2011 in Lyon is so similar to the weather-damaged and spotty petalled photo of January 23, 2007 that I have uploaded into “Kombacy Marianne”.

In the MdW comments Kai-eric has included a reference in which “ ‘Mme de Watteville’ is classified into one of three subgroups of the non-climbing tea section, called 'Groupe B. - Comtesse De Labarthe', “
and I have a Feb 5, 2009 note from you in my file that David Ruston thought “Kombacy Marianne” is of the ‘Comtesse de Labarthe’ family.

Besides, there is a ‘Mme. De Watteville’ 1894 reference to the outer petals being winged or butterfly petals and I certainly see that similarity to the photos of “Kombacy Marianne” in my file.

I think “Kombacy Marianne” is ‘Mme de Watteville’ and I thank you and your family sincerely for preserving this rose in your old family garden – and then sharing it around.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 14 JUN 12 by Margaret Furness
I'm uncomfortable with the references which say Mme de W is creamy-yellow with pink edges. That would fit better for "Bishop's Lodge Ah Mow". There are similarities between these two foundlings, "Kombacy Marianne" being the stronger grower. It also has longer stems according to David Ruston, who sometimes combines them in arrangements.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 14 JUN 12 by Patricia Routley
I am confident enough that "Kombacy Marianne" is the real 'Mme. de Watteville' to put it in my garden records. OK, OK - with the obligatory question marks - as ?'Mme. de Watteville'?
Reply #4 of 6 posted 14 JUN 12 by John Hook
I think you are confusing me for someone else (@Patricia Routley)
Reply #5 of 6 posted 14 JUN 12 by Margaret Furness
She meant that "Kombacy Marianne" came from my great-grandmother's garden. It grows well there and at Renmark, both of which have red sandy soil and hot dry summers (not much winter rainfall). In my garden, with slightly acid clay soil and much more winter rain, it isn't happy.
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