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'Let's Celebrate' rose Reviews & Comments
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4 DEC 11 by
Don H
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Another rose by this name has been introduced by Fryer, see their catalogue (2011)
www.fryers-roses.co.uk/images/Fryers-Roses-2011-Catalogue.pdf
Makes you wonder what good it is having an international naming registration process.
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4 DEC 11 by
 jedmar
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Thank you! It seems that less and less breeders are registering with the ARS.
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The breeder of this rose together with two others has, not registered any of his roses in Australia, despite my personally approaching him and his being provided with the wherwithall to register. ARS has no knowledge of them. If breeders are choosing not to register their roses (what evidence is there?) it is hardly fair to point the finger at ARS. Unfortunately this breeder is very recently deceased, so the question of registration is now moot. The opportunity to become a part of Australia's rich heritage of rose breeding was offered.
For the record, Australia has a National Registrar and ARS is regularly supplied with details of roses bred here as distinct from every other member nation of WFRS. If the breeders refuse to register their roses, and member nations of WFRS will not establish national registrars, it is hardly the fault of ARS, who are doing their best under very difficult circumstances. ARS doesn't deserve the slings and arrows of those who obviously know little about their circumstances, and who may in fact be a little envious of the good works of American Rose Society as it performs its function with a considerable degree of accuracy and certainty.
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When the big breeders re-use rose names, it's hard for minor breeders to take the process seriously. We've seen an example recently of what looked like a code-name being changed when a rose was distributed by a large company.
Registering a rose without patenting it may not seem worthwhile, but the cost of getting adequate protection of breeders' rights may be prohibitive for amateurs.
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Dear Laurie,
Can you advise us on the use of the code name 'MELzules' used for Trevor Grant's 'Let's Celebrate' (see 2015 reference). I believe this code is incorrect and that TRG2 is the correct code name.
Thanks,
Patricia
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#5 of 10 posted
25 APR 17 by
Plazbo
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No offense intended but
"The opportunity to become a part of Australia's rich heritage of rose breeding was offered. "
Seems very arrogant/self important. The breeders rose is still offered and he still has a part in "Australia's rich heritage of rose breeding" without registering. To diminish his role because he refused to drink the kool-aid says more about the organisation than the breeders.
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It is also interesting to keep an eye on the recent registrations here: http://www.stsrv.com/irar/newregis.asp . In all the years I have been watching this list, I have never seen a Meilland, or a Kordes, etc, name appear on the list. Why is that, I wonder? I also think the credibility of the registration process is called into question when some breeders choose to register ridiculously large numbers of roses... to be part of the rich tapestry of rose breeding culture in Australia, maybe???
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#7 of 10 posted
26 APR 17 by
jedmar
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Yes, the ARS/ICRA registrations are in the overwhelming majority from the Anglosaxon world, with a sprinkling of Asian and a few amateur European breeders. Representatives of the major European Rose breeding companies mention will have the answer, but I am guessing that the ICRA Registration does not give the commercial protection a patent application gives and is therefore of less value if you are in business on an international scale. For amateur breeders it is probably still less expensive than the patent process. Finally, for US breeders it is still a valid local association, maybe due to requirements of the show culture? Rose Shows with prizes are long gone in Continental Europe.
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Hi Jedmar, the registration process and the patenting process are two mutually exclusive processes. The registration process is free and coordinated by the International Society for Horticultural Sciences (through the ARS) in an effort to catalogue and document the creation, identity and origin of new plants varieties. The plant patenting process is (here in Australia) a national government run incentive to provide breeders with some form of protection and access to a period of guaranteed income exclusivity. It is indeed an expensive process. A rose does not have to be registered in any way with any horticultural society to be eligible for a patent. This is an important distinction to be made for up-and-coming rose breeders who often mistakenly assume registration automatically provides protection of their intellectual property.
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#10 of 10 posted
28 APR 17 by
Plazbo
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Correct, the patent (aka PBR in Aus) will set a person back a few thousand. An alternative may be to trademark (only a couple hundred) the name....sure it won't stop anyone propogating the rose but they'd need to do it under an entirely different name to sell it which maybe more hassle than it's worth because it'll be a year or two behind marketting.
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We could do with some photos of 'Let's Celebrate' if anyone has any.
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