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'Eden' rose Reviews & Comments
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Available from - De Kleine Plantage
http://www.dekleineplantage.nl/ info@dekleineplantage.nl
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Initial post 15 JUN 10 by monica
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iam sorry to say that i must shovel both of my eden climbers. It seems as the temperature rises above 80 degree the eden roses burns. the edens are planted on the front and back arbhors in partial shade. In the spring when the temperaature was lower the rose bush did very well. This rose is hardy to zone 6 winters, but is not hardy to high temperatures, it is far to fragile.
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Is 'Pierre de Ronsard' just a climbing rose, or is it also shrub rose?
Is it the same plant as 'Eden Climber'?
thank you.
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Pierre is a climber, only. Perhaps, if your conditions are right, you MAY be able to torture it through pruning and keep it shrubby, but I wouldn't want that task. Yes, both names refer to the same rose.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 21 JUN 08 by  Cass
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grassRoots, I have grown Pierre de Ronsard as a bush for some time now. A problem I've encountered in Zone 9, Northern California, is that the canes are subject to cankering if grown without support. My gardens have lots of wind, and I don't know if the issue is wind or sun; whatever it is, Pierre de Ronsard/Eden climber requires some protection of those canes from the constant stress of movement and/or sunburn. In my coastal garden, the rose is very subject to rust, which is another problem affecting its vigor. But inland, without the problem of rust, I am now growing it with much more rigid support to see if that improves the health of the canes, which many splits in the canes. I don't know whether the splits in the canes are from movement, sunburn or canker disease. I do not spray fungicides.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 21 MAR 10 by Jay-Jay
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In the webcatalogue from rose-nursery Belle-Epoque they separate "Eden Cl." and "Pierre de Ronsard" and sell them as two different roses, with different descriptions and different prizes! I asked them too: How come? Does anyone know IF there is a differerence between the 2 roses, or are they really the same, or is there another "Eden CL." ? (Why wouldn't THAT surprise me?)
Greetings Jay-Jay.
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I wonder if there was a climbing sport of Meilland's 1950 dark pink hybrid tea 'Eden Rose' ('Peace x Signora') ?
This would be a different climber to the 1985 'Pierre de Ronsard' syn ‘Eden Rose 88’. ['Danse des Sylphes' x 'Handel'] x 'Pink Wonder Cl.'
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 21 MAR 10 by jedmar
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No, it is not the 1950 Eden (which is quite a different rose - deep pink). There has been a lot of discussion around here that there seem to be two clones of Pierre de Ronsard around, with one of them more shrubby, the other a climber. However, it was not possible to differentiate them properly.Maybe the understock matters.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 22 MAR 10 by Jay-Jay
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Belle Epoque reacted to my request, and they wrote that two different persons loaded up that information, with two different photos, from the same rose. They will correct it. So You can see again that one rose can have different "faces" (appearances)
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And the nursery has red faces...
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Initial post 8 AUG 09 by monica
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Love this old fashioned english rose. Its coloring, white/darker pink in the middle,it opens to a ruffled heavily petaled english beauty that gets lighter the older it gets. This climber grows fast, and it flushes all summer. I purchased two, one for my back arbor and another for the front arbor, it has no scent but it is such a beauty to look at, and makes a real entrance statement to my front walkway. I have not noted any b.s. on either of them, so i guess it is safe to say eden is disease resistant. My edens are still very young, bought as a potted rose of approx 2ft high in May eden is now over 4ft and very bushy. High glossy thick dark green leaves against this two tone beauty and a partial shade plant is a plus!! A must for english rose lovers.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 8 AUG 09 by monica
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there are NO restrictions on this website concerning abbrevations. Everyone who ownes a rose is in the KNOW of BS and MD. Locally/internationally, this forum is for those who love roses, and we give and get info. We are not here to pick apart or put down anyone. All are welcomed,at least that is the way the members have made me feel. If abbrevations, (my right) to speak freely bother you so, dont read the comment. We are all here for the same reason, the love of the roses and nothing esle.
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Monica,
You participation is much valued on HMF and we would be thrilled to have more site guests take the time to share their experience and insight as you have.
My interpretation of Ms. Furness's comment is much more benign than yours would appear to be. I do not believe the intent was to be critical in any way, instead I believe she was simply making a suggestion meant to be helpful. I would imagine she, along with everyone else reading your posts, finds your comments very interesting and enlightening.
That being said, I believe she makes a valid point as we can not assume everyone visiting HMF is knowledgeable on every aspect of roses or gardening in general. We have many members that are quite new to rose gardening and may not be familiar with various abbreviations we've come to use by nature. That of course does not necessitate you making changes to your participation but I do not think her comment should be taken as offensive or judgmental especially in light of the very common American expression associated with the abbreviation BS.
We GREATLY look forward to your continued participation. Your detailed comments are a wonderful addition to HMF.
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HMF Admin is right; I value your sharing your experience with roses, and my suggestion about abbreviations was meant to be a general one, about communication in an international forum, and not a criticism. I am sorry that you took it personally.
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My apologies to the site guest's whose posts we've had to delete - we do not permit personal comments about other members. I believe Ms. Furness's post was a bit professorial at worst and was intended purely as a helpful suggestion.
If a forum devoted to rose lovers can't give each other the benefit of the doubt, we're in trouble.
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Thank you for taking the time to describe how Eden has done for you. I need to post more comments and reviews of our roses.
Dave
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