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"Caldwell Pink" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 112-274
most recent 21 JUL HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 JUL by NewDawn
In the Columbus Park of Roses during a three-week drought that followed a harsh winter with continuing freeze-thaw late into the spring, Pink Pet was the healthiest rose in mid July, completely covered in blooms. I would change its size however, as it was easily five and a half to 6 feet tall and double in width. This is in zone 5 to 6 in Columbus, Ohio. I was shocked as I had planned to use my three as front of the border bushes.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 20 JUL by Patricia Routley
We have it currently shown as Height 3' to 4'. Width of 3' to 4'.
Are you saying we should show it as Height 3' to 6'. Width 3' to 12'?
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 21 JUL by NewDawn
Yes. It was definitely at least five and a half feet tall. I wish I had taken a picture but I don't actually live in Columbus, I was just there to see the garden. I'm unsure what to say for width as I did not try to peer through the thicket to see if it was more than one plant. However, they normally do not plant multiples. I cannot stress how huge healthy and floriferous this plant was amongst a sea of puny leafless bushes in their historical Rose section. It was just about the best looking Rose in the entire Garden of 1200 bushes.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 21 JUL by Patricia Routley
Thanks for confirming the sizes, NewDawn. We've increased them.
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Discussion id : 93-862
most recent 11 OCT 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 3 JUL 16 by mmanners
I think it should be noted that the original identity of the rose we grow as 'Pink Pet' is unknown, but that it is almost certainly not the true 'Pink Pet'. It is the same as "Caldwell Pink," and its leaves, prickles, etc., indicate Polyantha-like growth, probably with some R. setigera in its background, but almost no China characteristics other than that it reblooms a lot.

It is also known that this specific rose was first called 'Pink Pet' by a Florida rosarian who wanted to show it in ARS-sanctioned rose shows, and so she needed a registered rose name to call it. Since local judges didn't know what a real 'Pink Pet' looked like, she adopted that name for it, somewhat randomly, according to the story I've heard.
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Reply #1 of 11 posted 11 JUL 16 by Patricia Routley
It seems to me that, ideally, we should have two files. One for the original
CHINA. 'Pink Pet' (China, Lilley 1928) and another for the

POLYANTHA.
This second file should contain
"Pink Pet in Commerce as" (renamed from the current 'Pink Pet')
"Caldwell Pink"
"Bermuda's Pink Pet"

What do you think, Malcolm?
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Reply #2 of 11 posted 11 JUL 16 by mmanners
That sounds reasonable to me.

Malcolm
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Reply #3 of 11 posted 11 JUL 16 by Patricia Routley
Okay, done. If anyone believes they have the original china, instead of the polyantha, would they move their photos and let us know.
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Reply #4 of 11 posted 4 OCT 17 by Tearose
I was reading references and comments here to see why the roses we have - Pink Pet and "Caldwell Pink", which are identical, were placed in the poly class, when they look like China roses to me. Polyanthas are dwarf multifloras, and have fringed stipules. I see no fringing on the stipules of these roses. The leaf shape of China roses is distinctive and that's what I'm seeing here. From what I've read, there is likely something besides China in its breeding, but I don't see where that would make it a polyantha.
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Reply #5 of 11 posted 8 OCT 17 by Michael Garhart
Polyanthas are dwarf synstylae types. Not always multiflora-derived.
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Reply #6 of 11 posted 9 OCT 17 by Margaret Furness
Yes, it 's a ragbag for "nowhere else to put them". Eg Little White Pet as a repeat-blooming dwarf of Felicite Perpetue.
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Reply #7 of 11 posted 9 OCT 17 by Tearose
I suppose we should create a new class: Dwarf Shrub. Since Shrub is the catch-all for bushes of highly varied ancestry, it would make sense for there to be a dwarf equivalent. Anyway, I still think we don't need two listings for this rose- in commerce as and original China. I think they are the same, and the breeding is more China than poly. Possible China-Noisette?
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Reply #8 of 11 posted 9 OCT 17 by Michael Garhart
Oh. Yeah, the class system is garbage. I don't know a nicer word for it. Outdated, maybe? But there is no excuse for it to be outdated.

The UK has a more refined system that is closer to ideal than most.

'Mother's Day' could be called many-flowered bush, for example.
'The Fairy' could be called many-flowered groundcover.
'Bonica' could be called many-flowered shrub.
'Baby Love' could be called many-flowered miniature.

And the buying public wouldnt need 50 society meetings to figure it out...
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Reply #9 of 11 posted 10 OCT 17 by mmanners
In saying that it was Polyantha-like, I was not suggesting any genetic relationship; rather, it has tight, frequent branching, tight heads of large numbers of small flowers, and those flowers tend to have pointy petals -- all very un-China-like. Also, the foliage is unique -- deeply serrated, matte, turning brilliant orangey-red in autumn (even here in Florida), and with an amazing susceptibility to powdery mildew, but near immunity to black spot.

So it really doesn't fit with Chinas. It has been suggested that it may be a hybrid of R. setigera, and I could certainly believe that. And setigera is Synstylae. I'd agree that there is no evidence of multiflora in its background.
Malcolm
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Reply #10 of 11 posted 10 OCT 17 by Michael Garhart
Sorry, I didn't intend to sound critical. The subject is frustrating to me, because I see it as a barrier between us (those with knowledge) and the common public in terms of growing roses.

As my generation comes into buying power, the easier roses are accessible in both nomenclature and ease of care, the more popular the rose could become.
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Reply #11 of 11 posted 11 OCT 17 by mmanners
Oh certainly no offense taken, Michael. I just thought I should explain my use of the term. Best wishes. Malcolm
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Discussion id : 91-082
most recent 23 FEB 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 FEB 16 by kysusan
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Discussion id : 81-345
most recent 29 OCT 14 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 OCT 14 by sam w
I like the fact that for me this rose blooms relatively late in the Spring season (which would be odd if it were really a China). Together with the setigera climbers it adds a couple of extra weeks to the Spring flush.
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