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'Baby Faurax' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 110-027
most recent 16 APR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 16 APR by Andrew from Dolton
I have grown this rose for five years now. Up until this winter it always suffered bad die back, last year half of the plant died back. This year I did no pruning at all, last autumn's dead flower stalks stayed on and they only died back to the first new shoot. I did cut just one stem back in October for cut flowers and that stem died right back to the ground. I just finally removed the dead flower stalks today and the rest of the plant looks very healthy.
Discussion id : 106-632
most recent 11 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 NOV by Plazbo
So this rose blooms in flushes. So far, it had a heavy bloom at the beginning of spring, now almost summer and no repeat yet? Is this normal? Is the repeat not til autumn? It might just be settling in (it's not putting on new growth either), just trying to figure out if this is normal for it or not.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
Hello Plazbo,
'Baby Faurax' does indeed flower in flushes right through until the first frosts in autumn, in fact I don't think there was a time from May to October when there wasn't a bloom open somewhere on the plant.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Plazbo
I guess mines just settling in then given the lack of blooms after the early spring bloom.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
My garden is cool and damp during the summer maybe the growing conditions are different to yours, my 'Baby Faurax' also suffers from die back each winter. Patricia grows it, maybe her experience would be in a climate more appropriate to yours.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Patricia Routley
I have a couple of plants in my acid soil heavy loam. But they are both miniscule. However I do grow it well in a verandah pot where it is watered and fed well with chopped lucerne hay and sheep manure. About twice a year I add about a quarter of a teaspoon of sulphate of potash to the pot. I don't really deadhead it as I am seeking the seeds but am quite sure 'Baby Faurax' would repeat if I did. I get a huge amount of enjoyment out of growing a few seeds each year and they are all, so far, making small shrubs. Last year the rosella parrots heard me thinking that I must pick that wonderful crop of seeds. Later I swept up their crumbs and named the only two I got up 'Baby Parrot Pick' and 'Baby Parrot Reject'. I'll add some photos.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Margaret Furness
I like the Baby Tooth best of all.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 24 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
My plant is about 75cm high, my soil is well drained acid loam. Each shoot that it throws up has flower buds which is typical of these dwarf sports. Multiflora hybrids like 'Veilchenblau' and 'Bleu Magenta', to which it is related, grow very well in my cool damp climate too.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 11 APR by Plazbo
It was either a settling in issue or a too hot issue because now in autum/fall (where temps are between 20c and 30c instead of mid 30's to mid 40's celcius) it's producing multiple bloom clusters. Guess I'll find out next year.
Discussion id : 98-192
most recent 27 MAR 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 MAR 17 by Andrew from Dolton
This rose grew and flowered well last summer, however, despite a mild winter it has suffered badly from die-back although it there are some very healthy growths on the surviving stems.
Discussion id : 70-193
most recent 26 FEB 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 24 FEB 13
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 25 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
A diploid = 14 chromosomes.
Many garden roses are tetraploid (28 chromosomes)
So if a diploid (14) is crossed with a tetraploid (28), [28 + 14 = 42 then half that] the result will be a triploid (21). As this is not an even number, some chromosomes are left without an opposite number to pair with, which will create difficulties in trying to breed with a triploid. Have I got that right?
Here are photos of my ‘Baby Faurax’ seedlings two years down the track (see photos previous 'Baby Faurax' comment). A quick look at my seedlings this morning show all are bearing hips. The above para might mean that these seedlings are infertile. But then again, what if the unknown pollen parent was something compatible.
Nobody answer this please. I can barely understand my own muddlings.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 25 FEB 13 by A Rose Man
I don't want to confuse you here, and I'm sorry to reply despite you asking people not to; but:

Your seedlings could be self pollinations which would likely make them diploid.

If they are triploids they can still be fertile to a degree. Some triploids are extremely fertile so fertility isn't a reliable inductor that a rose is triploid.

And it's also possible for dilpoids to produce unreduced gametes (14 chromosome) in their pollen and ovules so some of the seedlings could be tetraploid.

The only way to be sure is to have them tested. Or you could not worry over it and enjoy them for what they are. Some of the most iconic names of the rose breeding world completely ignored the ploidy of the roses they worked with. They just made the crosses and let the roses worry over fertility.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 26 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Mr. Rose Man. Very good advice. However, it is not worry, but interest - and a good deal of love. This little ‘Baby Tooth’ is my favourite - and just look at that ageing! Something only a mother could love.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 26 FEB 13 by A Rose Man
I'm not a big fan of roses that hold their petals to their last breath, but the bloom colour is lovely, and some very popular roses have that tenancy, so I'm sure you're not the only person who would love your ‘Baby Tooth’.

I have a few flawed progeny around myself that I'm more than a little fond of. I've even gone as far as listing one called 'Valmai' on helpmefind. The poor thing blackspots horribly, but it's still one of my favourite seedlings.

With regards to ploidy I must admit that I try to keep things at the diploid level. But that's because rugosas are my main focus. I produced quite a number of triploid rugosa hybrids when I first started hybridising, but they were all dead ends, so for my purposes diploids are more desirable. I am however planing to produce a number of triploids over the next few years to bring desirable traits down from tetraploids to the diploid level for crossing into rugosas. I've also ordered a few triploid cultivars this season for the same purpose.

In the end though, all that really matters is the roses you select as parents work with you in achieving your goals. Mr Moor's unrestrained imagination and "the rose will find the way" philosophy made him one of the greats. And Kim has certainly been very successfully in following that philosophy.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 26 FEB 13 by Rupert, Kim L.
Hi Patricia, yes, it's possible your seedlings could be diploid or even triploid, but seriously, don't worry about it. As Rose Man offered, some very prolific, well known and successful hybridizers pay no attention to ploidy. Ralph Moore and from a recent interview in the Rose Hybridizers Association newsletter, William Radler (Knock Out's daddy), to name just two. As Mr. Moore loved to say, "the rose will find the way!" and believe me, they usually do.

Early infertility problems in Tea crosses were chalked up to their being triploid, but as has been consistently seen, many triploids are wonderfully fertile, so I believe the Tea fertility issues were likely due to some other issues. Mr. Moore's Golden Angel is triploid and it has been used successfully with many roses. My own Lynnie is triploid and you would be very hard pressed to find another rose with greater fertility and excellent germination.

Personally, I don't usually pay attention to ploidy in planning crosses. I may look out of interest, but more often than not, as Mr. Moore repeatedly stated, the rose does find the way. Good luck!
Reply #6 of 5 posted 26 FEB 13 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Kim and Rose Man. One of these days when I get to 94 and too old for all this [ahem, worrying] and gardening and hard-work nonsense, I am going to live in a unit and have my balcony jam-packed with pots of Ralph Moore’s miniatures. That should keep me happy.

Roses spring up here in this acid soil garden like fleas on a dog’s back. Mostly I just hoe them out, but a few get away from me and I leave them to bloom. I get a bit of amusement from the names, like the pink single multiflora/‘Menja’ lookalike which sprang up under ‘Honey Flow’ and that I’ve called ‘Bloomin Routley!’ and the seedling which looked very much like ‘Thisbe’ copped the name of ‘Fizzbee’. Its good fun!
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