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'Souvenir de Pierre Notting' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 130-216
most recent 21 FEB 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 19 DEC 21 by Margaret Furness
Would someone who has access to this rose please check for hips and seeds. It has descendants listed but my plant hasn't set hips.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 16 JAN 22 by odinthor
Never a hip on my healthy, strong-growing, about five-year-old specimen.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 16 JAN 22 by Margaret Furness
Thank you: none on mine either. I'm wondering about the accuracy of the ID of the rose known worldwide as Souv de Pierre Notting, given that it has four first-generation descendants listed, as seed parent. I don't know if any of the plants in California or Europe have known provenance / a history of the name. Or whether fertility or lack of it can be used as an identifier.
The plants known by this name in Aus are foundlings, identified by the features that match those of overseas plants. It's a survivor, turning up in old gardens in southern mainland states of Australia.

Currently working on a booklet on mystery Teas in Australia, including a few with probable IDs. I have similar concerns about the ID of the rose labelled Mme de Watteville in the Carla Fineschi garden and Sangerhausen. Unfortunately the nursery in Italy which lists Cl Mme de Watteville appears to have gone off air.
Likewise, I'd like to know whether any hips on the rose known as Elie Beauvilain contain seeds.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 25 JAN 22 by Mila & Jul
I grow EB here in Germany (I budded it myself from wood obtained by a friend in Northern Germany). I will check next season, whether she develops hips...
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 25 JAN 22 by Margaret Furness
Thank you.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 21 FEB 22 by billy teabag
Fertility or lack of it is something that can't be ignored when considering whether a foundling is correctly identified.
In the case of Souvenir de Pierre Notting, there is information from the breeder that suggests it would be very difficult to pollinate.
The July 1899 Journal des Roses reference recently added to HMF - authored by Soupert and Notting before the rose was released - refers to a rose with blooms that last a long time - an unusually long time for a Tea. It describes the way the outer petals dry off while the bloom keeps renewing itself from the centre:
"the outer petals do not fall off, they dry up, the center petals grow and renew the flower like this until all the petals have reached their greatest development, then the flower immediately falls off entirely.
Sometimes there are no pistils or stamens in the center, but tiny petals which develop slowly and are thus the cause of the long duration of the flowers."

I have searched plants for hips or unusual blooms with fewer petals and visible reproductive bits and have not found any to date but given that account, which is a very accurate description of the rose we grow under that name, it seems that any natural pollination would be very difficult and naturally occurring hips unlikely.
Perhaps a determined breeder might have assisted - the longevity of the bloom alone would have been a sought-after quality.
All four roses that have Souvenir de Pierre Notting listed as seed parent come with a stated pollen parent, so presumably deliberate crosses/ assisted reproduction.
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Discussion id : 126-397
most recent 12 MAR 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 MAR 21 by Patricia Routley
Re the 2020 Heritage Roses in Australia reference.
In 2003 I struck the rose growing at the entrance to the Albany Club, Aberdeen Street, Albany, W.A. From memory, there was only the one rose there.
It has turned out to be ‘Mrs. Dunlop-Best’ 1916, distinguishable by its holly-like leaves. Photos of this rose are in that file.
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Discussion id : 94-574
most recent 25 AUG 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 25 AUG 16 by Andrew from Dolton
Roses. Present-day gardening series by H. R. Darlington FRS. Dated 1911 from the preface. Chapter on Exhibition Tea Roses. Page 97-98

"Souvenir de Pierre Notting (Tea., 1902).- at its best is a very beautiful rose of deep apricot-yellow colour. It has an excellent habit, good foliage, is very free flowering, and as far as these qualities are concerned would be a fine garden rose. It has, however, the disadvantage of producing very rough outer petals, and unless severely disbudded and grown as if for exhibition, and carefully protected against the weather, the flowers are of little value."
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 25 AUG 16 by Patricia Routley
Added. Thanks Andrew.
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Discussion id : 34-001
most recent 18 FEB 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 FEB 09 by Peter Miller
I have found this rose to ball in the spring of the year and be a home to thrips if not watched carefully. I just moved it to an area where I can care for it more.
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