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"Hawaii Volcanoes" rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 93-241
most recent 8 JUN 16 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 JUN 16 by Patricia Routley
How does "Hawaii Volcanoes" compare with 'Laure Davoust' or the "Talbot Rose"?
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 7 JUN 16 by mmanners
I've only seen the Talbot Rose in Bermuda, and don't recall much about it. This rose does very much resemble 'Laure Davoust'. When I see them in our greenhouses, I have to check the label to determine which is which. That's a comparison we'd like to make with some DNA analysis, but have not got round to it yet.

But I have to wonder how an actual, vegetatively propagated LD could have ended up on that site in the wilds of a national park. I find that highly unlikely. But maybe a seedling of it? Even that seems strange, since roses of any kind are unusual on the Big Island -- most of the landscaping is more tropical stuff; that a Multiflora Rambler would be there, set good seed, and be carried by a bird (or by other means) to this site, and grow to a mature plant, seems very odd indeed. Yet there it was! I have no better explanation.

I have seen other roses also apparently seedlings, in Hawaii Volcanoes NP, along the road that goes around the main crater. None were flowering when I saw them, but the vegetative growth seemed always to be appropriate for something with Multiflora in its background, but not R. multiflora itself.


Next time I get over that way and have some time to explore, I may try driving through the nearby neighborhoods outside the park's borders, just looking for roses in gardens, to see if I can discover a potential seed source.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 7 JUN 16 by Patricia Routley
I understand the "Talbot Rose" has a velvety indumentum. Take a look at my photo of the "Velvet Leafed Rose" 006 where I have shown the underside of the leaves of both 'Laure Davoust' and an Australian foundling we've called the "Velvet Leafed Rose". Both blooms are very similar, but there is a big difference in the leaf surface.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 8 JUN 16 by drogers
I posted two photos showing the back side of two different leaf sets. The vast majority of leaf sets on this plant are 7, there are a few with 5. These occur where a new branch is sprouting from an older branch or cane.
The photo posted for Laure Davoust from Journal des Roses Juin 1878 shows that distinct green center that appears in two of my photos. This feature darkens in several days.
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Discussion id : 93-225
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Initial post 6 JUN 16 by mmanners
Available from - A Reverence for Roses Inc
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Discussion id : 93-224
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Initial post 6 JUN 16 by mmanners
Available from - Rose Petals Nursery
http://rosepetalsnursery.com/
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Discussion id : 93-223
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Initial post 6 JUN 16 by mmanners
This seems to me to be a rather "typical" multiflora Rambler, perhaps a bird-sown seedling. There are residential areas just over a mile east of this site. This plant was likely not planted by humans; it was high up a steep slope of mainly native Hawaiian plant material. The original plant has been removed, probably by the exotics/invasives removal crews in the park.

We have grown it in our greenhouses for nearly four years and have yet to see it flower there, even though it flowers continuously in Hawaii (a cool, high-elevation location), and it has flowered reliably in spring only, in north Florida.
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