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'Mlle Cécile Brunner, Cl.' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 94-680
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Initial post 1 SEP 16 by Nastarana
Am I right in thinking that there are two climbing sports of Cecile Brunner, one of which, the California sport of 1894, blooms only in summer, and another, the one often confused with 'Bloomfield Abundance' (would that be the Australian sport, or yet another one) which is remontant?

I did grow a Cl. Cecile Brunner in CA in the 1990s which did bloom in summer only.
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 1 SEP 16 by Patricia Routley
I grow the 1894 'Cecile Brunner Climbing' (spring only and really tall) on its own roots across the path, perhaps 10 metres from 'Spray Cecile Brunner' (repeat flowering and not quite so tall) also on its own roots. Here the climber always flowers exactly four weeks earlier than 'Spray Cecile Brunner'. This last rose, SCB, used to be known incorrectly as 'Bloomfield Abundance'.

Because I live in Australia, I presumed that my plant was the 1894 Richard Ardagh's sport. However, note this was a presumption only. There are photos of my plant in that file which show the more-or-less single bloom style of spring-flowering, rather than the massive spray inflorescence of the repeat flowering 'Spray Cecile Brunner'.
As more than a century has passed since the climber was discovered in Australia by Richard Ardagh, and the Cecile Brunner tribe were fairly unstable in the first place, I don't think we shall ever know the difference between Hosp's (American, 1894) and Ardagh's (Australian, 1904) sports.
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 1 SEP 16 by Nastarana
Probably not. It does seem that there are least two climbing sports still, or recently, in commerce, one of which blooms once and the other of which is remontant.

Harkness has it that the American sport blooms once, so I assumed it was the American one which I had. I think mine bloomed in mid to late June, as I recall.
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 10 JUN by Patricia Routley
From my earlier comment: Here the climber [Cecile Brunner Cl.] always flowers exactly four weeks earlier than 'Spray Cecile Brunner'.

My experience of the timing with the climber is apparently the same with the bush 'Mlle. Cecile Brunner'.

1979 New Zealand Rose Annual
p45. Old Timer. Roses of the Past. 'Bloomfield Abundance'' is sometimes confused with this rose ['Cecile Brunner']. Though some say this is a sport of 'Cecile Brunner' there are several signficant differences including a totally different flowering season, the initial flush of 'Bloomfield Abundance' being a month later than that of 'Cecile Brunner'.
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 22 AUG by scvirginia
FWIW, my Climbing Cecile B. has been blooming sporadically over the summer- it has flowers on it now, but they are rather petite in the heat... I expect to see more and larger flowers if it ever gets cooler. I do not know the provenance of my clone; I took cuttings from a friend's rose several years ago.
I seem to recall that Kim Rupert said that one of the California gardens (the Huntington?) had (has?) a large climber that blooms most of the year. Mine could be related, or Mlle Cécile may have sported remontant climbers more than once.
I also have Spray Cécile; the buds, bracts and foliage are somewhat different from the climbing form, but the flowers are alike. Both of these roses are still young, so I have no first-hand information about ultimate size, although I understand that both forms will get quite large in a congenial situation.
Somehow, I do not have the original bush form.
Virginia
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 23 AUG by Patricia Routley
Have you noted the timing of the first flush on both your roses?
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 23 AUG by scvirginia
No, my Spray Cecile is still quite young- she has put on some growth this year, but this past spring, I didn't get much bloomage. Next spring, I might remember to check that out.
Virginia
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 26 AUG by Nastarana
Do recall the source of your C. CB? Mine was a cutting from a friend's yard, probably purchased at a retail nursery and not from a specialty mail order vendor.
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 26 AUG by scvirginia
Mine was also a cutting from a friend whose late wife collected old roses. I have no idea if it's a rose she rustled locally, or where it came from, sorry.

Are you thinking of trying it in your garden?

Virginia
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 26 AUG by Nastarana
I doubt it could flourish where I live now. I do intend to be trying some polyanthas which are reputed to be hardy to zone 5. My 'Anna Vena' grew back and bloomed this year but we did have a fairly mild winter last year.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 26 AUG by scvirginia
Hopefully, a mild winter (or two) will be enough of a foundation for Alice V. to survive colder winters there.

Climbing Cecile is a tough old thing, but I don't know how hardy she'd be. I wonder if the once-bloomer would be hardier; I do suspect that she's more inclined to assume monstrous proportions than her ever-blooming counterpart?

Virginia
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Initial post 26 AUG by scvirginia
from Gardening Illustrated, August 25, 1906, p.356:
Rose Climbing Cecile Brunner. This beautiful novelty, which was sent from Australia, is likely to be in great demand when known. I measured a mass of bloom upon one basal growth of a two year-old plant, and it was quite 24 inches deep, 18 inches wide, and consisted of some sixty buds and blossoms. Imagine the value of such trusses for decoration. Upon the plant the blooms are particularly attractive and lavishly produced. Of course, the original sort will grow well in most gardens, but I take it there is room for a somewhat more vigorous grower, especially to train on poles some 5 feet or 6 feet in height. —Rosa.
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Discussion id : 63-212
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Initial post 3 APR 12 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 APR 12 by HMF Admin
We don't have this nursery listed on HMF, can you provide more details.
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Discussion id : 35-897
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Initial post 24 APR 09 by Jeff Britt
There are definitely different clones of "climbing" Cecil Brunner out there. The one I most often see planted is a house swallower -- it will grow easily up and over a two story house. It flowers magnificently in the spring, but only produces the odd flower thereafter, putting all its energy into making huge new canes. Then there are the other clones that don't seem nearly so rampant, growing only to 15', though definitely a "climbing" CB. These seem to flower almost continuously, though the spring flush is definitely the most spectacular. Perhaps this is the "Everblooming Climbing Cecil Brunner" that I see available at some nurseries. In any case, Cecil Brunner has produced a multitude of sports that vary in growth habit not flowers. Some of them have been given separate names (Bloomfield Abundance) but most of them have not be so recognized. I think it would make an interesting study to round up all these seemingly different clones, grow them side by side, and see just how many there really are.
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