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Discussion id : 160-722
most recent 22 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 FEB by odinthor
"Mr. Burton proposed a bumper to 'American Beauty, the best rose that has ever been introduced,' coupling it with the firm of George Field & Bro., of Washington, D.C., to whom belongs the credit of discovering its good qualities, and called upon Robert Craig to respond. Mr. Craig did so in his usual happy style, and related among other things, that one morning about four years ago he received a rose from Washington, which was a revelation to him; the flowers were large, of good color, with long stems and deliciously fragrant. The following morning he received letters from John N. May and Ernest Asmus, both of which stated in effect that there was a fine rose at Washington, and asking for a date to be named when it would be convenient to go and see it growing. Nearly everybody in the business is familiar with the subsequent history of the Beauty," American Florist, vol. 4, 1889, p. 388.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 21 FEB by Lee H.
I sense, with your recent posts, a case being built to divorce ‘American Beauty’ from 'Mme. Ferdinand Jamin‘.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 21 FEB by odinthor
Who, me? ;-)

Yes. First off, in the origin story involving J. Cook, Field, and so on, we are not dealing with rascally people. These were, before and after, respected horticulturists/florists, established in their professions, who had too much to lose from trying to palm off some ringer which, if it were a fake, they would have known would be detected as such within a short amount of time, and who moreover were never connected with any such shenanigans before or after. Cook is well known for his distinguished place in American horticulture of the time; less known is that Field had been the gardener for the White House during two administrations, and was an honored member in the floral industry through his death in 1925. I believe that this is a case of roses which were largely lookalikes, and perhaps exacerbated by some fly-by-night sellers unable to obtain the original stock of 'American Beauty' (or unable to afford it) propagating and selling 'Mme. Ferdinand Jamin' as 'American Beauty', to profit by the interest in it, and so the two became mixed in commerce. The kind of skulduggery which people trying to spice things up like to imagine takes place throughout commerce always by everyone really has rarely if ever been found in connection with established horticulturists who had long careers. I believe it would be prudent, whichever side of the question one is on, for 'American Beauty' and 'Mme. Ferdinand Jamin' to have separate listings, "pending developments."
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 21 FEB by jedmar
Very difficult to separate them unless some genetic analysis can establish that there are two distinct roses in existence.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 21 FEB by odinthor
The existence of one rose or two roses today has nothing to do with whether in the past there were two separate roses. We're talking about separating HMF entries for them, not separating roses currently existing.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 22 FEB by jedmar
That is not so easy. To which listing do we assign photos, gardens, nurseries?
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 22 FEB by odinthor
Yes, I agree wholeheartedly--it's not an easy matter to undertake, as, due to the confusion, it's not clear what is what. At the very least--and I think this is only being fair to both sides of the question--I suggest that HMF include a statement on the description page of the combined entry that, "It continues to be debated, with responsible parties on each side, whether 'American Beauty' and 'Mme. Ferdinand Jamin' were originally separate roses or not. Adding further difficulty is that, if they were originally separate, the two may have become mixed in commerce such that those comparing them may not in fact have proper representatives of the two roses to review."
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Discussion id : 160-720
most recent 21 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 21 FEB by odinthor
“Some years ago a hue and cry went up about 'consumption' among the roses grown for cut flowers in winter, but since cultural methods have been improved we hear no such complaints. We will go further and say that apparently the roses now grown seem to have a stronger constitution than they did when they were first introduced. I have in mind, particularly, American Beauty. There were never finer flowers of this standard variety in Philadelphia at Christmas time than there were last Christmas, and I feel safe in saying they were cut from the very stock originally received from George Field & Brother, of Washington, D.C., in the early eighties, no change of stock being deemed necessary nowadays,” American Florist, vol. 21, 1904, p. 974.
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Discussion id : 160-354
most recent 16 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 FEB by odinthor
"The florists of America, indeed, could well afford to raise a statue of bronze to the honor of Mr. Cook, for by his hand was planted the seed and on this soil first grew that noblest and grandest of forcing roses, which is known everywhere today as the 'American Beauty'. This variety was raised by him with many other seedlings, the parentage of which could not be determined, but proving valuable for outdoor purposes, it was propagated, and, after some years, with other roses, a plant or two was sold at $6 per dozen, under the name given by its originator, 'Madam de Polonya', to the historian George Bancroft, of the city of Washington, an ardent admirer and cultivator of garden roses. Here, as is well known, it was seen by Florist Field, who, ascertaining its eminent adaptibility for forcing, introduced it to the trade as the 'American Beauty', a name describing aright both its origin and its quality." From periodical The Weekly Florists' Review, February 15, 1900, p. 308.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 16 FEB by Patricia Routley
Thank you Brent. All four references added.
It seems as though the synonyms of 'Madam de Polonya' and 'Apollona' might now be added, but I will leave that up to others.
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Discussion id : 160-353
most recent 15 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 FEB by odinthor
"With his vast knowledge of flowers, Mr. Cook not only grafted bud with bud, but was cognizant of the sexes, and hybridized them. It was in this manner, according to him, that he propagated the 'American Beauty'. It was his story that he first raised the flower under the name of the 'Apollona', and under that name sold it to a woman enthusiast of Washington. A florist there finally secured an interest and exported the rose to England, from which country it returned to its native land under its present name," from periodical Literary Digest, 1906, pp. 952-953.
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