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'Rosa kamtchatica Vent. synonym' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 99-601
most recent 19 MAY 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 19 MAY 17 by CybeRose
The comment about the foliage of the Kamtschatka rose being "very large" contradicts Ventenat's observation that the leaflets were 26 mm. long and 15 wide (1 inch long by .6 in wide). This suggests that some other species or cultivar had already usurped the name by 1837.

Magazine of Horticulture, Botany and All Useful Discoveries and ...p. 77 (1837)

Rosa ferox and the Kamtschatka rose identical. — A remark will be noticed in the "List of Plants" attached to the December number of the second volume of this Magazine, page 470, respecting the specific of a large single red rose, commonly known in the few gardens in which it cultivated, as Rosa ferox. By that remark it would appear that this commonly received name was not correct. With this opinion I entirely disagree, and for the following reasons, viz.

I. Rosa Biebersteinii Lindl., or Rosa ferox Bieb, which is supposed to be the genuine species, having white flowers, will be found to belong to that group of roses, whose stems are covered with very minute prickles, and which have small delicate leaves, which, from their striking likeness, are termed Pimpinellifoliae. To this group belong the beautiful Scotch rose and its numerous varieties, which may be considered as its type.

II. The Kamtschatka rose has neither pimpernel leaves nor minute prickles; on the contrary, its foliage is very large and of a vivid green, and its prickles stout, rigid and long, and of uniform size.

III. This rose will also be found to be of Caucasian origin, the Rosa ferox of Lawrence and the Rosa kamchatica of Redoute.

For these reasons I am still inclined to maintain the common appellation of the plant in question, unless other and more decisive authority is adduced to invalidate its prior claims.—An admirer of Rosa ferox.
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Discussion id : 97-550
most recent 14 FEB 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 14 FEB 17 by CybeRose
Ventenat described the leaflets as, "longues de vingt-six millimètres, larges de quinze." 26 x 15 mm. That's 1.09 x .59 inch.

R. ferox also, reportedly, had very small leaves.
The Garden: An Illustrated Weekly Journal of Gardening, Volume 56, page 2 (July 1, 1899)
Rosa ferox from Canon Ellacombe, though not in flower, was interesting. It has tiny foliage, smaller than in Wichuraiana, but in appearance much resembles the hedge Briers.
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Discussion id : 97-491
most recent 12 FEB 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 12 FEB 17 by CybeRose
Plantas Hartwegianas :imprimis mexicanas adjectis nonnullis Grahamianis enumerat novasque /describit Georgius Bentham.
By: Bentham, George, - Pamplin, G.
Publication info: Londini : [G. Pamplin,] 1839[-57].

1716 (12). Rosa cinnamomea, Linn. var. pedunculis solitariis geminisve. — R. Kamtchatica Vent. Hort. Cels. t. 67. — In sylvis prope Monterey.

1717 (408) Rosa californica, Cham. Schl. Linnaea, 2. p. 35.— Specimina Douglasianis simillima corymbo multifloro, caetera omnia cum descriptione auct. cit. conformia, — Caulis 5-pedalis, — In valle Sacramento.
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Discussion id : 97-463
most recent 11 FEB 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 11 FEB 17 by CybeRose
Trees and Shrub s Hardy in the British Isles 2: 441 (1919)
W. J. Bean
R. rugosa
var. KAMTCHATICA (R. kamtchatica, Ventenat; Bot. Reg., t. 419).--A distinct geographical variety sometimes regarded as a species. It differs from rugosa in having the stipular prickles distinct from the more bristly scattered ones, in the leaves being more obovate and rounded at the apex, and in the smaller fruits. Introduced about 1770.
https://archive.org/stream/treesshrubshardy02beanrich#page/440/mode/2up
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