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'Kathleen' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 70-038
most recent 13 FEB HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 13 FEB byA Rose Man
listed as diploid in 'Resistance Breeding For Powdery Mildew and Black Spot in Roses'.
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Discussion id : 39-881
most recent 24 AUG 11 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 OCT 09 bypem
Why do some Kathleen photos show semi-double flowers + some show singles?
Thank you
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 15 DEC 10 byYork Rose
It's not unheard of among roses for the number of petals to vary from blossom to blossom, especially in some varieties. I have never grown Kathleen and so have no personal experience with it, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that its flowers can vary from single to semi-double.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 17 DEC 10 bypem
That is interesting. Thank you. This Fall in Zone 7a Arkansas a pink camellia in our yard has flowers that are almost fluffy instead of their usual not very double. I wonder what pushes petal number one way or the other.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 29 DEC 10 byYork Rose
I haven't ever grown camellias - :( - having never lived in a climate with a warm enough winter for them (& knowing I have neither the time nor patience to attempt growing one indoors), so I know very little about they whys and wherefores about how they bloom as they do (beyond knowing they like acidic soils in the same way that azaleas and rhododendrons do, even though they aren't in the heath family as azaleas & rhododendrons are).

As for roses (& this also probably applies to a fair number of other species in the rose family, apples for example), their genes often (USUALLY, probably) give the flowers not a specific number of petals that must be produced, but rather a range of petals that may be produced. With the wild rose species they typically have single flowers, and thus only five petals plus lots of stamens. However, some of the species (or naturally occurring hybrids, such as the White Rose of York) are semi-double (because some of the stamens have converted into petals), or have naturally occurring variants that are semi-double, or even double.

That genetic plasticity is what rose breeders play with, and sometimes the hybrids breeders create (all garden "varieties" bred by humans are hybrids of some sort or another) contain that plasticity within one plant, or even within one cluster of flowers.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 24 AUG 11 bypem
Thank you.
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Discussion id : 47-480
most recent 15 AUG 10 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 15 AUG 10 byClaus Elvers 1965
Available from - Rosenwelten Höpfner & Wodtcke, GbR
http://rosenwelten.de/rosen/rose.php?rose_nr=20207
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Discussion id : 39-478
most recent 29 SEP 09 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 SEP 09 bypem
Dear All,
I do love Kathleen itself.
On p. 451 of my Botanica's Roses (ed. Wm. Grant, 2000; 1008 pp.) the Kathleen photo looks like a different rose. I think the rose in the photo looks beautiful. Does anyone know what rose is in this picture?
Thank you.
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