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'Paul Neyron' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 114-103
most recent 22 JAN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 18 NOV by Margaret Furness
A couple of visiting rosarians from the US don't think "B L Sydney Linton" is Paul Neyron. Wrong colour, opens too flat. I note too that Paul Neyron has descendants as seed parent, but I haven't seen viable hips on my "B L S L".
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Reply #1 of 15 posted 18 NOV by billy teabag
Then they are in accord with Hillary who has always dismissed PN as an identity.
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Reply #2 of 15 posted 18 NOV by Patricia Routley
Has Hillary publicised her concerns? - I might have missed a reference.
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Reply #3 of 15 posted 19 NOV by billy teabag
No - you haven't missed a reference Patricia. Hillary doesn't have a plant of "B.L. Sydney Linton" and I'm referring to informal conversations we've had standing next to my plant.
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Reply #4 of 15 posted 19 NOV by Patricia Routley
Margaret – Seven seed descendants from 1869-2018. That is not a lot. I haven’t seen any hips at all (that I recall) on my HP’s. ‘Paul Neyron’ was mentioned as having a flat form in a 1936 reference.

Billy – thank you. My “Sydney Linton” died by 2015. I sent you up an own-root plant in Nov 5, 2004 and presumably this is the one you are now growing. My ‘Paul Neyron’ (currently quite sick) came from Zephyr Brook 1-5 and undoubtedly Hillary will know this rose well. In peak busy season here, I am most unwilling to relook at “Sydney Linton” as we discussed it ad infinitum in 2003-2006. It is probably not right that “Sydney Linton” and Paul Neyron’ are in the same file, but it would take a lot of untangling to separate them.
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Reply #5 of 15 posted 19 NOV by billy teabag
Yes - you are right - The "B.L. Sydney Linton" growing here is the one you sent up (is it that long ago?)
HPs are not really happy here. I think they are more comfortable in places where they get at least a bit of frost in the winter and not so much heat in the summer, so it has always looked a bit tenuous. A very modest plant and the amount of spent wood equalling the amount of new wood each year. But when it blooms in a mild spring, it is a most lovely thing and I will always remember David Ruston's magnificent and deceptively simple arrangement of it in its home town at the Hay Conference in 2003.
'Dr Hogg' is the only other HP that has survived here. Even' Frau Karl Druschki' lost the will to keep trying last year.
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Reply #6 of 15 posted 16 JAN by petera
I grow both cultivars and BL Sydney Linton is a far superior garden rose to Paul Neyron. HPs tend to grow well in my climate (Mount Macedon Victoria). We have brutal frosts as you alluded to in an earlier posting but dry summers with cool nights.

BLSL has the normal complement of prickles while the stems of PN are almost unarmed. BLSL is MUCH more disease resistant while PN gets absolutely every rose disease known and probably measles, mumps and cat flu as well. BLSL is a better-formed, branching plant while PN is long and leggy with flimsy stems. My own-root BLSL also has a tendency to sucker but I have never observed PN to do that even though all my plants have had their bud unions well buried. BLSL repeats better but that may be due to its its much better health and vigour. I prune it to about 40 cm and it gets up to 1.5-2m in the season.

I know it would be work to separate the pages on HMF but listing BLSL incorrectly as a synonym of PN discourages people from growing it, and a really good HP is likely to get lost again.
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Reply #7 of 15 posted 16 JAN by Patricia Routley
Thanks for your reply petera. This is the only way to proceed in the identification of old roses, and that is contributing your observations.
It would be valuable if you could contribute photos of both your whole bushes, the base of both bushes, and the prickles of both bushes.
Both my “Bishop’s Lodge Sydney Linton” and the ‘Paul Neyron’ that was growing almost alongside, are now dead so I am no longer able to contribute. I will separate “BLSL” and ‘PN’ and if members Eric Timewell, Hmfusr, Margaret Furness, Rockhill, Ozoldroser, Billy teabag, Luckyluke and myself could move their photos, that would help.
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Reply #8 of 15 posted 21 JAN by HubertG
There's a detailed early photograph of Paul Néron/Neyron by the American photographer Edwin Hale Lincoln here on this site:

https://www.digitalcommonwealth.org/search/commonwealth:z890ss20n

Unfortunately the institution that conserves the photos has not given permission to have them displayed here. This particular photo shows good details of the leaves, stem and prickles.
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Reply #9 of 15 posted 21 JAN by Patricia Routley
That's an interesting photograph HubertG. I note there is no date on the plate of this 1869 rose, but the photographer died in 1938. The photographed leaves look quite long and oval-ish, rather than round-ish.
I am sure I never saw those prickles on the stem of my (now died) 'Paul Neyron'. I think mine just had bristles.
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Reply #10 of 15 posted 21 JAN by HubertG
I'm not sure of the photograph's date either but my guess is around 1900. They are on glass plates which were generally superceded in the early twentieth century, and that series of (florist?) rose photographs include one of 'Mrs. Pierpont Morgan' which was introduced in 1896.
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Reply #11 of 15 posted 21 JAN by Ozoldroser
A wonderful set of rose photographs on this link. Thank you Hubert.
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Reply #12 of 15 posted 22 JAN by HubertG
Some of the varieties aren't even labelled by the institution even though the rose names are written on the plates. I should link them all here. They still have some great photos of 'Mme. Hoste' listed as "Madame Histe" lol. There are some good photos of species roses too.
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Reply #13 of 15 posted 22 JAN by Patricia Routley
If we can’t reproduce them here, perhaps a reference under each rose, giving the link?
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Reply #14 of 15 posted 22 JAN by HubertG
As a comment, or on the description tab?
Perhaps the description page would make it more prominent.
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Reply #15 of 15 posted 22 JAN by Patricia Routley
True. But anyone who is really serious about searching for information, will read the references.
I know you can add refs - and I am on the run here lately. Apologies.
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Discussion id : 103-266
most recent 24 JUL 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 JUL 17 by Margaret Furness
"Bishop's Lodge Sydney Linton" doesn't appear to set viable hips in my garden.
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Discussion id : 52-806
most recent 17 MAY 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 11 MAR 11 by Jay-Jay
Is this rose shade-tolerant?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 25 JUL 12 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Hi Jay-Jay: Paul Neyron prefers some shade if your summer is hot and humid like mine. Paul Neyron is notorious for blackspots and diseases. I bought him as OWN-ROOT in March to do experiments: 1) in alkaline clay soil with alfalfa meal: lots of blooms 2) watered with acidic rain water, he broke out in blackspots 3) moved him to clay soil made acidic with peatmoss, he had the worse blackspots 4) moved him to Ball's potting soil with 55% composted fine pine bark with lime, Paul Neyron is 100% clean after 2 weeks of rain, 70% humidity and hot weather. The tannin in the composted pine acts as fungicide, plus lime is a natural fungicide. He's healthy at last.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 6 JUN 15 by Salix
Fascinating. No wonder why he spots badly here...
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 6 JUN 15 by Jay-Jay
Mine died after a few years. The plant was small and grafted, when I got it and in a very cold winter it froze back. It started all over, but didn't thrive at all at that shady spot... except for Black-spot!
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 17 MAY 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
My Paul Neyron died as own-root after a few winters. Roots are so wimpy that it can't go deep enough for my zone 5a winter survival. La Reine smells better and is more healthy & winter-hardy.
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Discussion id : 88-098
most recent 27 SEP 15 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 SEP 15 by Eric Timewell
Available from - Kurinda Rose Nursery
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