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'R. foetida bicolor' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 97-546
most recent 7 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 14 FEB 17 by JasonSims1984
A few people have told me that foetida has fragrant foliage. I see it listed as such under Persiana, but not here in this listing. Does anyone know? Supposedly the leaves smell fruity?
Reply #1 of 9 posted 14 FEB 17 by Rupert, Kim L.
I've not encountered any "Foetida" variant (Copper, Yellow, Bicolor, etc.) which did not possess the "Juicy Fruit Gum" scent to their peduncles, sepals and new growth tips. That scent can carry through a few generations when bred with the right mate.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 15 FEB 17 by JasonSims1984
Thanks :)
Reply #3 of 9 posted 15 FEB 17 by Rupert, Kim L.
You're welcome! That includes Persian Yellow, the double yellow. It has a luscious fruity smell to those parts.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 6 NOV by Plazbo
Do you know of any examples that have carried the fragrance? Like does Soleil d'Or? I imagine if it did it'd be mentioned so probably isn't. I just haven't found anything with it that doesn't have feotida in its name .
Reply #5 of 9 posted 6 NOV by Rupert, Kim L.
Yes, Soliel d'Or does carry that type of plant scent. As you visit nurseries and public gardens, rub the sepals, buds, peduncles and new growth tips of the roses you encounter. You will find a surprising number which express various scents through those parts. Of course, the closer to the scented species they are, usually the stronger those scents are, but they sometimes come through some generations away from the sources. Many OGRs carry differing scents in those parts. One of the things which continues surprising me is how many people who have "years of experience" with roses, have never noticed these sources of scent. Not all roses carry them, but once you begin "molesting" the roses you encounter, I think it will surprise you just how many DO.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 7 NOV by Plazbo
Hurray! That possibly alters plans a bit (using a hybrid that has a repeating parent).

In your experience/opinion would crossing with a more glandular plant bring out these scents without molesting (similar to how the sweet briars scent can hang in the air)?

I'm still trying to work out what I'm doing with breeding, foliage fragrance is up there in the interests (along with crested....but Moore's work with that isn't available here in Australia as far as I can tell)
Reply #7 of 9 posted 7 NOV by Rupert, Kim L.
I would seem more likely to obtain glandular results with plant scents using glandular parents, rather than those which don't possess the glandular trait, but that isn't an absolute. Add that combining two parents could easily influence not only the type of glandular scent expressed, but also the strength as well as whether it is even expressed or not.

Working with Fedtschenkoana, I observed the plant scents were often passed down, but virtually always in altered scent types. Fedtschenkoana's scent reminds me of "Nobel Fir with hardwood smoke". First generation offspring expressed varying levels of pine, spruce, cedar and further generations altered these not only in strength but also changed what they smelled like. Complete lack of scent in many instances occurred by the third generation, though there were some which still possessed some plant scents. I haven't bred with Foetida, but I would imagine you should see something similar breeding with it.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 7 NOV by Margaret Furness
Crested Jewel is in Araluen Botanic Garden in WA - I don't know where they got it from. Probably Melville's nursery before the change of ownership. You could contact Heritage Roses in Aus members to send you pollen.
Reply #9 of 9 posted 7 NOV by Rupert, Kim L.
Margaret, Roy Rumsey was Mr. Moore's Australian agent for a long time. Many of his roses made it to your shores through him. His "Rum 10" was the thornless multiflora he obtained from Mr. Rumsey. Odd, as we've not been able to import from Australia for many decades...
Discussion id : 93-033
most recent 27 MAY 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 MAY 16 by CybeRose
Libro de Agricultura (Written in the 12th century)
Abu Zacaria Iahia aben Mohamed ben Ahmed Ebn el Awam, Sevillano
Trans. by Don Josef Antonio Banqueri (1802)

Chap 7, article 26, p 303
Segun Abu-el-Jair, hay rosales de diferentes colores, encarnado, blanco, leonado (ó amarillo), de color de lapislázuli (ó celeste), y de este mismo color por defuera, y leonado por dentro.
En el oriente hay rosas amarillas y celestes, una que tiene lo exterior de la hoja amarillo, y lo interior celeste; y otra con lo exterior de la misma celeste, y lo interior amarillo, cuya rosa es muy comun en Tripoli de Siria; y la otra amarilla se halla hácia las partes de Alexandria; las quales todas se cultivan de un mismo modo con corta diferencia.

[According to Abu-el-Jair, there are roses of different colors, pink, white, fawn (or yellow), color of Lapis (or blue), and the same color outside and inside tawny.
In the east there are yellow and blue roses, one having the outside of the petal yellow, and blue inside, and another with the same blue outside, and yellow inside, the rose is very common in Tripoli of Syria; and the other yellow is towards the parts of Alexandria; whick all are grown in the same way with little difference.]

The Latin "cerulea" (miniata; scarlet) was sometimes misread as "caerulea" (blue). This suggests that Abu-el-Jair had not seen the rose, but took his description from a Latin text.

Whether the scarlet color was inside or outside is a matter of perspective. Some English writers who certainly knew our R. foetida bicolor wrote that the flowers were red on the outside; others said the red was on the inside. And this implies that Abu-el-Jair took his information from at least two Latin texts written in the 12th century or earlier.
Discussion id : 93-031
most recent 27 MAY 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 27 MAY 16 by CybeRose
Plantarum seu stirpium historia (1576) p. 446
Lobel (Matthias de l'Obel, 1538-1616)
"Pares & cognatiores illis Luteas, cùm aliàs saepe vidimus Argiera Affricae ex Numidia, Galliae inquilinas factas: tum in Anglia consimiles, solerti manu in Genistae scapù insitas, unde colorem, odorem, viresque mutuantur novas. Est & iamdiu videre Caeruleae in hortis Italicis.”
[There is also long to see the blue in the gardens of Italy.]

The Latin "cerulea" (minium-colored, or scarlet) was sometimes misread as "caerulea" (blue). This is obviously what happened here, as there are no blue roses at all, let alone any that are similar to the yellows.
Discussion id : 42-776
most recent 3 JAN 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 FEB 10 by Unregistered Guest
has anyone ever come across a selection of this rose that's blackspot resistant?
Reply #1 of 6 posted 19 NOV 14 by Salix
Ironically, foetida itself isn't very susceptible to BS when well cared for- it is the descendants you have to look out for.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 2 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
I actually disagree. Both it and its mutation parent like... melt here. Literally, it spots so badly that it looks like the foliage is melting off of it. It looks... really bad :[ It begins in May and is over by the end of June. Our weather is essentially the exact opposite of where it is native.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 2 JAN 16 by Salix
Interesting! It is quite clean here!
Reply #4 of 6 posted 2 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
Which area? I have seen it clean and naturalized on the dry half (Eastern) of Idaho, which is outside of the major Pac. NW rain systems.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 3 JAN 16 by Salix
(More or less) Mid-Atlantic East Coast. Which is, thinking about it, even stranger.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 3 JAN 16 by Michael Garhart
Well, there are many strains to most fungii. I know that my area is highly prone to 2 types of BS, but rarely prone to mildew types.
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