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'Pillar of Gold' rose Reviews & Comments
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22 AUG 11 by
 sam w
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Indeed, it does ball badly in wet weather, but it seems to do better as it gets older (or have our springs simply been dryer--I don't think so . . .). But it is one of those problematic roses I persist with because when it is good it is so very good--fragrant, profusely blooming, and healthy as can be. I doubt if I would put it in a prominent place in my garden or if I would keep it if I had a smaller garden. Still, I have grown quite attached to it. It is an old friend whose vices I tolerate for love of his virtues.
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Available from - Vivaio Le Rose Paola Lungaroni
http://www.vivaiolerose.it Orvieto,Italy
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#1 of 1 posted
23 JAN 09 by
jedmar
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Thank you, we have added "Vivaio Le Rose" to the nursery listing. It is nice to see that Branchi has now a successor!
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A reference from 1933:
"Among varieties that still find a place in the garden are … E.V. Hermanos, vigorous climber, with such thickly-packed buds that it generally fails to open in the spring, but is good in summer and autumn, colour apricot yellow and carmine;…." p68 'Ye Olde Time Roses' by The Editor [T.A. Stewart], Australian Rose Annual 1933 pp64-68
and one from 1907:
"During march of 1905 I planted a batch of ripe-wood rose cuttings, for the purpose of seeing which style of cutting rooted quickest. On lifting the pieces some four months later, I found the best root growths on the cuttings which carried a piece of old wood at their base. In every instance this was so marked that I decided to photograph one of the young plants, so as to show the manner in which it had thrown out its roots. Here it is.
It was a piece of wood taken from E. Veyrat Hermanos, one of the most vigorous climbers, a rose that deserves to be widely grown, both for its lovely flowers and for its great vigour in growth. The roots are quite as long as the original piece of wood which began just where the third set of leaves show out. There is no climber that I know of that will cover a given space in as quick a time as E. Veyrat Hermanos."
John G. Lockley, ‘Rose Growing Made Easy’ c1907, Sydney pp78-9
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Now neatly filed in the references. Thanks Billy.
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That was quick Patricia. Thanks.
Please put your axe away and make a note to take a photo of your EVH looking sublimely lovely later in the season as a reminder that it doesn't always look disgraceful.
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28 JAN 08 by
MLB
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This Cl.Tea looks very much like a German Noisette: Kaiserin Frederich Bred in Germany (1890) by Drögemüller. Every phase of bloom and all of the color range seems to be there. This rose was introduced 5 years after K. F. and I wonder if they actually are the same rose. See K.F. for the parentage of Gloire de Dijon by Perle des Jardines.
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#1 of 8 posted
29 JAN 08 by
Cass
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Or maybe it is a climbing sport.
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>Re E. Veyrat Hermanos. This Cl.Tea looks very much like a German Noisette:
I know it has often been listed as a tea, but Brent C. Dickerson in the 2nd edition, 2007 'Old Roses: The Master List', on page 201 lists it as a Noisette. My three plants all look noisette.
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#3 of 8 posted
1 OCT 08 by
Unregistered Guest
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After reading this post I went out and looked at these two roses which I planted in the spring flanking the front porch steps and neither has bloomed yet and the growth pattern (beastly fast!, about 1-2 inches a day for each ones single new vigorous cane), leaf shape is identicle as well as the coloration of the leaf. Even the thorn angle and spacing seems to be exactly the same. It will be interesting to see them bloom in the spring, as I now think they are indeed indenticle, but much to my detriment if they are both E. Veyrat Hermanos, as the new tea rose book from Australia that came out this summer states she balls very badly in humid climates. I hope they are both Kaiserin Frederic, as no books mention her, so perhaps she is an outstanding rose in our humid climate here in Richmond Virginia. Either way, she has really spendid health in my organic garden, as I spray nothing at all for fungus, not even the organic concoctions.
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#7 of 8 posted
11 OCT 08 by
Unregistered Guest
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What is the source of your two roses?
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#4 of 8 posted
4 OCT 08 by
jedmar
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The old descriptions say golden-yellow vs. apricot, both shaded with carmine, both very fragrant and climbing, although Jäger thought E. Veyrat Hermanos at Sangerhausen only had mild fragrance. It could well be that the two roses got mixed up in commerce. In the engraving from "Journal de Roses", 'Kaiserin Friedrich' seems to have 3 leaflets only?
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There's another portrait of 'Kaiserin Friedrich' by Lina Michel originally printed in 'Rosen-Zeitung' 1889 and reproduced in recent years in 'Rosen-Porträts' (Anny Jacob).
It's not showing such a highly coloured face as the Journal des Roses portrait - rather more gentle shades of buff yellow and coppery or peachy pink. The arrangement of the leaves makes it difficult to tell how many leaflets are usual, though there are some young, unfurling ones in the picture that have five.
There's a long cane with quite long, narrow prickles. The buds shown are plump, but not as fat as the buds we see on the rose we know as 'E.Veyrat Hermanos'.
I think there would be copyright problems if I uploaded this portrait, but perhaps someone can arrange a scan of the original in Rosen-Zeitung?
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#6 of 8 posted
5 OCT 08 by
Cass
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No luck finding it online, Billy.
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In the Botanical Garden, in Rome, I've found an unnamed climbing Tea, very much in the ' E. Veyrat Hermanos' style. Foliage, growth and stems reminds me of 'Souvenir de Mme Léonie Viennot' (powdery mildew was the same, too...!); the flowers are very full, cupped, with muddled centers of packed petals. The outer petals are cream or pale lemon yellow, the center rich carmine. The contrast is stunning. The blooms tends to ball in humid weather.
Searching for a climbing Tea of that colour, I've found only 'Kaiserin Friederich' in Brent Dickerson's book. It's similar, but different in many ways to ' E. Veyrat Hermanos' (which I used to grow a few years ago). I see 'Kaiserin Friedrich' pictures in HMF, but they look to my eyes as 'E. Veyrat Hermanos' as we know it here in Europe.
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