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'Mister Lincoln' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 95-974
most recent 21 NOV 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 20 NOV 16 by SweetheartofJ
Please, can someone help me to get the buds to open? They are so heavy I know there's more substance in there but the petals are tightly woven in.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 21 NOV 16 by Patricia Routley
You might just have to wait for a dryer atmosphere. Possibly the dew is (turning to glue?) and sealing the petals.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 NOV 16 by SweetheartofJ
Perhaps I can cut them at a point and enjoy them in the house where it's dry? I shall try. Thank you for trying to explain.
Discussion id : 90-410
most recent 3 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
Initial post 17 JAN 16 by dan8
I'm growing Mister Lincoln in Zone 9A Northern CA. This rose is a very strong grower here, both grafted and on its own roots. It does not have the most blooms but when it does the stems are always upright, long, and very thick. Its always taking a break during the worse heat of summer. I like the look of Mister Lincoln bush because it's well proportioned with large dark green foliage, the canes don't tend to criss cross all over the place. Mister Lincoln can be incredibly velvety bright red. Have grown it for 10 years here without spraying, and the only problem it gets is mild cases of powdery mildew and a very tiny bit of rust. It always, comes back strong every spring no matter what. My only complaint is that the blooms are one of the fastest blowing of all, barely lasts in a vase before it turns floppy and purple looking. For this reason I rather leave them on the bush where they seem to last forever on the bush in cool weather. If I could only have one red rose it'd be Mister Lincoln.
Reply #1 of 13 posted 23 JAN 16 by Give me caffeine
Odd you should find them so bad when cut. I always seem to get a few good days out of them, even in summer.
Reply #2 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
I was a bit surprised by dan8's comment about Mr. Lincoln being a well-proportioned bush with plenty of foliage. Mine have always been spikey sticks, with the odd leaf or two thrown in apparently just for the heck of it. Tall and vigorous, but sparse.

Since I discovered the virtues of free horse manure, from the local racecourse's stables, there has been a remarkable transformation. The two Lincolns are now doing quite a passable impression of actually being bushy!

I have concluded from this that they are not so much "heavy feeders" as "ravenous, insatiable, all-devouring monsters" and will continue to feed them accordingly.
Reply #3 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by dan8
That's great!I use bagged steer manure on Mister Lincoln all the time. Sometimes it's the only fertilizer I give him.
I consider Mister Lincoln bad when cut because it lasts only a couple of days and the color also turns a horrible purple/black color really fast. It's just always the first one to wilt when cut, while the others last at least twice as long. It's long strong stems are perfect though.
Reply #4 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
I've taken to throwing the horse poo around everywhere. Great stuff. I'm pretty sure roses would be perfectly happy if planted directly into the rear end of a horse. Although it must be admitted that, while doing this would make the paddock over the road far more decorative, the horses might be somewhat disgruntled.

It's odd your Lincolns are so bad when cut. Mine last rather well, for colour and shape and scent. They open quickly, but once open will keep a good shape for days. Colour does tend to purple over time, but is still pleasant IMO.

Edit: I'm wondering if it's the water in the vase. Ours is filtered rainwater, just because we are on tanks here.
Reply #7 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
If you don't mind me asking, how old is the horse manure? Alfalfa fed? I've been afraid of it new as I read a horrible story about somebody killing their roses with alfalfa pellets. But would love to use it "fresher" if it's not a problem as that's the easiest way to get it!
Reply #8 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
The freshness varies, depending on what's available at the time. Yes, the horses are fed on alfalfa. Not sure what else (if anything) they get as I haven't asked. I should probably check on that.

It's fine straight out of the horse if you are only putting it on top of the soil. You can throw it on top as thick as you like. Keep it away from the canes by a few inches, particularly in wet weather. The only catch is that the fresh stuff will sprout alfalfa seedlings sporadically. This isn't a big deal. Just pull them out and drop them on top.

If you are digging it into the soil, I'd leave it a few weeks before planting in it.

Edit: And while I think of it, my Lincolns are back to being a pile of spiky sticks again. Wind and black spot sorted out the problem with bushiness and actual leaves. :D
Reply #9 of 13 posted 1 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
That's extremely good news, would love to do that! I read a story about a lady who said that it rained and made a toxic soup out of alfalfa pellets sprinkled on top that scared me. But I don't see how any different that would be from making an alfalfa "tea". Thanks so much for the tips, really appreciate it!
Reply #10 of 13 posted 2 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
Well I put fresh horse poo on about 6 inches thick around a young Mister Lincoln, then mulched it with a couple of inches of alfalfa (mainly so it didn't look like a pile of horse poo). I live in the subtropics, so when it rains it really does the business. Plant has been fine. Seemed to love it.
Reply #11 of 13 posted 2 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
That would make sense and thank you so much for sharing your experiences. I have access to a lot of manure and alfalfa and it's been a shame to have been so cautious with it!
Reply #12 of 13 posted 3 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
I suppose I should point out that the only rose disease I see around here is blackspot. Powdery mildew and rust are conspicuous by their absence. So I have no idea if that would affect how roses respond to large amounts of manure and alfalfa.
Reply #13 of 13 posted 3 OCT 16 by Lavenderlace
Same here in my no-spray garden in Z8!
Reply #5 of 13 posted 31 MAR 16 by Give me caffeine
Oh and while I think of it, when I was looking into using racehorse manure some sources were saying it would kill earthworms, due to the horses being medicated regularly with worming compounds. It doesn't seem to be a problem. I planted a few small things today (geraniums, etc) and couldn't even dig a small hole without massacring half a dozen worms.

It appears that although racehorses are wormed regularly, earthworms haven't read the sources on the web and don't know they are supposed to be dead. As long as you don't teach your earthworms to read the internet, everything should be fine.
Reply #6 of 13 posted 1 APR 16 by dan8
lol, I'm glad it works for you! Steer manure has proven to be great for roses for me.
Discussion id : 93-302
most recent 9 JUN 16 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 9 JUN 16 by jim1961
Our own root ML died 2015. We had it 4 years. No blackspot issues at all in our no spray garden here in Central Pa. ML did get a little PM in its 4th year but no biggie. Not a very good bloomer! Our ML only had about 16-24 blooms total each entire growing season...Blooms blew quickly 24-48 hours...
ML smelled great though!
Discussion id : 82-667
most recent 22 JUL 15 SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 JAN 15 by Give me caffeine
There's an old 'Mister Lincoln' where I'm currently living, and I've had the chance to observe it for 5 or 6 years now so I thought I'd add my (non-expert) observations.

First, it's tough. I think that to actually kill the thing would require skill and determination. This is in a sub-tropical climate, which can get very hot and dry before the summer rains hit, and very hot and wet when they do. 'Mister Lincoln' will survive on minimal water in the dry times, when necessary, but will cope with sustained sub-tropical downpours too.

I do have some sympathy for the old beast, and have it (trans)planted where it gets full sun all day, with plenty of air circulation, good soil and good drainage. My transplanting was a bit rough, but it didn't seem to notice. It does get black spot at times but, as other people have noted, is so vigorous that it won't be too bothered. I do spray it very occasionally, if I think it really could do with it, but generally it just survives on a bit of water and feeding.

Feeding regime is very loose, and consists of a mixture of packaged rose food, Seasol, Epsom salts, and whatever else seems like a good idea at the time, whenever I remember and feel a bit guilty. Despite this, it still throws out the typical 'Mister Lincoln' flowers in intermittent flushes.

The only real drawback is that, like a lot of Hybrid Teas, the bush itself is not that great to look at when it is not in flower. Even in flower, it tends to be the typical Hybrid Tea "flowers on top of spikey sticks, with sufficient foliage to keep the thing fed".

However, if you need an idiot-proof rose that makes big, stinky, red flowers, this one works.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 25 JAN 15 by billy teabag
My experience with 'Mr Lincoln' almost perfectly mirrors your own.
Most of the roses in that particular family group - siblings 'Papa Meilland' and 'Oklahoma' and especially one of the parents 'Charles Mallerin', are very tall, sparsely foliated scarecrows in the garden. The other parent, 'Chrysler Imperial', is more compact and attractive as a garden specimen, but how wonderful are the blooms of all these roses?
I grow them together as a family group. They're a gawky and ungainly family, apart from "Chrysler Imperial' - prickly and sparse - but they don't ask for much and yet it's rare not to be able to go out there and inhale that perfect fragrance, or to gather a special bunch of fragrant red roses for a special friend or special occasion. I'd hate to be without them.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 25 JAN 15 by Give me caffeine
I've never actually seen the parent plants. I'll have to look them up.

Update (start of May 2015): I also threw in a baby Lincoln last year, just a few metres away, to keep the old beast company. It's been in the ground a bit under twelve months now, and was your basic hardware store body bag.

It's been behaving exactly as a baby Lincoln should, namely heading straight for the sky like a very spiky and enthusiastic rocket. Height is already up to 1.2 metres. Foliage is looking pretty good, despite hardly ever being sprayed and despite all the rain, heat and humidity over the past several months. In fact the only times I sprayed it was when I was trying to keep the !&#%! Meilland 'Peace' alive, and thought I might as well do the Lincolns too. It probably wouldn't have cared if I'd sprayed it with Roundup and nitric acid.

It's been looking so happy with itself that I haven't bothered debudding it in deference to its youth. It hasn't produced a lot of flowers yet, but the ones it has produced have been up to usual Lincoln standards.

Summary: they're still idiot-proof, even if you don't source them from the best nursery.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 22 JUL 15 by boopie
What does it mean to debud? Is there a special technique? I see this term used alot, and I assume it has to do with flower production and a type of prunning?
Reply #4 of 4 posted 22 JUL 15 by Give me caffeine
In this context it means knocking the flowers buds off a young plant, so it puts energy into growth rather than flowering. Gets it off to a good start, so to speak.

Can also be used to produce bigger flowers, but fewer of them, on established plants. The same trick is also used on fruit trees sometimes, giving fewer fruit, but bigger ones.
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