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'Tamora' rose Reviews & Comments
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I've had a Tamora rose for a long time, though while I was traveling and away at school, it survived in an ignored bed. For over ten years, it was in the ground (7b, full sun, SE USA, organic garden), and though remontant, ended every humid summer covered with quite a lot of black spot. I was home enough to observe the gardens and do a bit of work, but last fall when I started the grand overhaul, I put Tamora in a large pot with good circulation but also stock, parsley, tuberose, chives, and lantana. Mine is own-root and sending up growth from the base but leafier up top, so I like the mixed planting. I cut and thin as she sends out new breaks. She's only a couple meters from where she used to be be, but now devoid of disease. The new growth is clothed in sharp thorns of many sizes, but as the canes age, the thorns seem to lessen a lot somehow. With regular deadheading and fish emulsion, my plant is in constant pink bud and light apricot bloom. Tamora's deep myrrh is fun to share with people who aren't used to the diversity of rose fragrances. I highly recommend trying a large container if you have trouble with black spot -- also because of Tamora's smaller size (2.5' - 3.5' x 1.5' for me at least, very upright) and that it's nice to enjoy the fragrance at nose level. I've rushed by and gotten caught on her, but that's my fault. Gotta love thorns.
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#1 of 6 posted
13 OCT 12 by
mtspace
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Thanks, I appreciate the info! I think any yellowish rose that can be cultivated in the US SE z7b without spraying for fungal protection deserves a reputation for pretty good health. I find your practice of growing with it chives, lantana, parsley, and stock interesting. The suggestion that perhaps one or more of these (along with better air circulation and better nutrition) helped prevent BS is intriguing because I have read other places at HMF about boosting soil fertility using worm castings, compost tea, and so on to deter fungal disease. Wouldn't it be interesting to know which of these plants had the most profound effect? I know that alliums fix sulfurous compounds that are considered helpful for roses, so know the chives helps. Still, I wonder about the others.
I grew Tamora for a number of years in dry shade near a cedar tree in zone 6b. It was not happy. It did not bloom. But it persisted for some years while everything else around it died except for daylilies.
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Haha, I changed out the under-plantings the day you commented. Now Tamora still has garlic chives (currently in bloom) and parsley, but I've added pansies, bak choy, and a few welsh onions. Can you tell the patio where she lives is by the kitchen door? I put in a thick top dressing of cow manure and will continue with light fish emulsion during the last flush. Since my last comment, I've also used alfalfa tea, and the stocks didn't last long into the summer heat. As fun as the lantana in the pot was, I think I'll skip it next year. It grew gangbusters, so how much nutrients was it hogging? Recently, there was a little black spot, but nothing like before. I'm thinking about trying a dormant organic spray this year. The heat was so strong this summer, that for next year, I'm trying to focus on the best roots I can with a new reverence. I should make a post somewhere about my vole/shrew encounters this summer.
I'm impressed with your trial -- to experiment with dry shade like that. She is a persisting kind of rose. I bet I could find a much better rose for that container, but Tamora earned it by hanging on without care. And that fragrance!
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#3 of 6 posted
15 OCT 12 by
mtspace
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It is interesting how much of the time garden advice is mostly right but partly wrong. Sometimes it helps to push the envelope a little bit. Tamora in the shade may not have been one of them. But I do have a few multiflora climbers growing in shade that I still have hopes will reach 12 ft - at which point their heads will be in the sun. When that happens, it could be quite pretty. But it looks like the project will take quite a bit of patience.
When you find the best place to post about vole/shrew encounters, I'd be happy to know about it. The first year I gardened here in AZ all my floribunda and polyantha roses were being nibbled to the ground the day I planted them. And dianthus would disappear underground: pop, pop, pop, just like in the cartoons. I've since trapped about 2 dozen voles. I've relocated three squirrels and two desert rats, and I spray most of the summer to keep deer out of the garden. They deadheaded the whole thing about a week ago as a parting gift before moving south for the winter. Next time there are rose buds in my garden I will need to be ready for them.
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Deer, how frustrating. I lived on a horse farm while in school and sprayed a lot of coyote urine for my landlady. Living in metro Atlanta, I know they're in the nearby flood plain, but don't think they'll bother my way uphill, corner lot garden yet. The voles/shrews on the other hand were focusing on my artichokes and annuals like you said pop, pop, pop. Then in August, they turned to my younger roses. Once over the initial shock, I've enjoyed moving everything around and trying come up with even better, more experienced combinations. I've been replanting everything in cages I made. I'm toying with the idea of introducing native non-venomous snakes.
Yes, gardening advice is so variable. One reason I like this site (and need to become a subscriber soon) is the ongoing discussion. I'm have a small Paul's Himalayan Musk Rambler in bright shade. Sounds like a similar situation to your multifloras. If/when it makes its way into full sun, it could be truly stunning.
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I'm quite curious about your Paul's Himalayan M.R. You said it was small in light shade. How is it now,two years later?
I have Paul planted in the darkest corner of the garden, and he gets NO direct sunlight. In his first year in the ground, he grew four canes, each 4 metres high, onto the balcony, where there is light for at least some hours. He will now be trained horizontally along the balcony.
As the soil is quite wet, and heavy, he gets blackspot, but the leaves stay on. He just doesn't seem to care at all.
Judging by the books, I did everything wrong with this rose, wrong place, bad soil, no spraying, and yet it's so full of life. Gotta love Paul.
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I moved my Paul again! I was concerned because after a new land survey, I found it was planted just outside of my property line -- still in what looks like my front yard but in an space the city has a right to cut.
It is still in light shade, on the south side of a tall pine (Pinus taeda). It receives early morning and late afternoon sun. It recovered from the move and remained disease resistant for me. If it takes to the location, it has multiple paths to full sun a couple meters above it.
I will update after the spring flush.
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Nobody has mentioned the beauty of the buds! Just purchased this rose (Spring 2011) in a David Austin green rectangular pot. The buds are strawberry red tinged with streaks of lavendar. Delectable! The scent almost makes me swoon.
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It's great to have more people sharing their experience like this - it's what HMF is all about. Thanks !
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Who knows where I can buy this rose Tamora in the Netherlands, or Europe?
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#1 of 1 posted
10 DEC 09 by
 jedmar
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Please check the Buy From tab.
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this rose Tamora is not available at Belle Epoque nurseries and has never been! So I was told by the owner.
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