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'Ingrid Bergman ®' rose Reviews & Comments
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10 AUG 14 by
leezen
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6 feet tall in coastal SoCal Zone 10b Sunset 24. Shows some shade tolerance. The perfect red rose.
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Thanks for sharing your experience - very helpful.
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11 JUN 12 by
 goncmg
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This rose is one of the select few to ever be named "World's Favorite Rose"........right up there with Peace and Double Delight and New Dawn............it is a SOLID red, a GREAT red...........and now, 25 years-ish after it hit the markets, here is the literal text from the Roses in Review, American Rose Annual, 1986:
"Great color and velvety-red blooms on a vigorous plant. However, the blooms are small and the form seldom comes even close to exhibition. For the majority the consensus seems to be 'just another red'." !!!!!!
That SAME year, Olympiad stole the RIR show, was the highest rated rose and had glowing reviews.
Amazing how it all plays out!!! And just another fascinating wrinkle in the fabric and why I am so addicted to roses!
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Thats because, "It it doesnt exhibit, then its trash." That was the mindset for so long. Now, exhibition roses are going out the window for consistent color and garden form. I left rose societies many years partly for this.
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23 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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Quoting direct the 1988 RIR/POP review of this one: "Virtually all the districts praised the viabrant color and the velvety texture of the petals. Beyond that, little else seemed praiseworthy hence the mediocre ratings. 15 Dist., 46 rpts., 58 plts: 71%keep. 7.2 (6.4)."
29% discard rate! 12 years later, somehow (and I mean SOMEHOW as in I want the STORY here) this one wins World's Favorite Rose?!
Side note: I own all ARS annuals 1950-1989. 1988 is the LAST year POP/RIR was chatty..........in the early 60's it was almost TOO chatty and detailed but by 1989, sadly, the comments became so brief and curt as to be useless for a grower and not any fun to read. Looking back on the fact I "disappeared" from my roses and the ARS for many years, now I DO recall why in many ways: college, no fun to read RIR/POP, far too many miniatures in the 80's, that trend in the 80's to list roses by their technical name MEIxyz, etc..........having just received most of the mid-late 80's annuals (Amazon) I do recall that disconnect, at least with ARS...................
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#1 of 10 posted
23 AUG 13 by
Jay-Jay
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Ingrid Bergman is in my humble opinion one of the most reliable High Teas in my garden. Almost continuously flowering from early spring to late fall. Very vigorous, healthy and lots of flowers that last on the vase. It's a big plant, up to 1,80 cm and 90 cm wide. It grows that big from being pruned back to 3 buds per cane in spring. (almost) no blackspot, no mildew or rust. Winterhardy, heat-tolerant, endures draughts and resists rain.
What more would one like from a big red nicely formed rose... Fragrance!
It has some: sometimes strong, sometimes subtle.
I can understand, from my experience/point of view, that it became "World's Favourite Rose"!
But others may have other experiences.
I would like to hear their's.
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Remember how skewed the POP/RIR ratings have been toward exhibition. Perhaps Ingrid either wasn't decent as a "gold miner", or those for whom she performed well simply didn't report. It's also quite possible she required more time to settle in and perform than the ratings permitted. I can tell you she is one of the most reliable landscape red HTs here in the Los Angeles Valley areas. No scent, I can't comment on how good she is as a cut flower, but you find her frequently in shopping centers used as a bedding or edging rose because of her solid performance, health and unfailing color. She looks good in high heat and brilliant sun until dead headed. A real "plant and forget" rose in those conditions. That, too, could be why she was rated as she was. She didn't require sufficient "coddling".
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#3 of 10 posted
24 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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Kim, as ever, the voice of saged reason! I am such a hot-head! Jay-Jay, please look at my recent post/reply under Spek's Yellow and the same applies here: entrenched in my rediscovery of the "lost modern Americans" it appears I have suddenly become very small minded! Yes, it is the WORLD'S favorite rose award! Which Double Delight also won and somehow I have a feeling DD didn't make "quite" the impression in Europe or even Austrailia or Japan as it did here, flip it for Ingrid Bergman. This is what makes this forum so wonderful! Because as we all know, Floribundas have always been more popular in Europe, Japan favors lilac/mauve a little, some US bred varieties do not do that well either performance wise or appeal wise overseas, and some produced here in the US which in OUR borders are considered "lost" for the most part are still hanging on in Austrailian or Indian nurseries. I know First Prize DEFINED the 70's in the US. The rose could do no wrong despite the fact it clusters notoriously, is no stranger to disease, has a thorny and gangly and often lop-sided plant. Didn't matter. As Kim stated, the 70's and even 80's here were all about EXHIBITION and a solid, good bedder like Ingrid Bergman easily would be over-looked (and largely it was, it never really caught on over here but yep, an apartment building I lived in DID have a huge row of it and it did look lovely!).....the US also went through a miniature CRAZE in the 80's, something I am pretty certain stayed within our borders.............I am endlessly fascinated by the socio-marketing aspect of the modern rose and when you add the possibility that a variety bred in Netherlands or India or the US for whatever reason and/or despite two climates which would appear to be the same would NOT perform well outside the birth land, well, this just gets really, really good! Kim? By any chance are you involved in/attending the CCRS Auction event in Oceanside in November? I will be there and would love to meet you in person. Happy gardening fellow rose-addicts! I admit I get really emotional on here sometimes. I talk with my hands in person. Sometimes I write or speak in "generalities" and should use " " more. None of this surprises either of you at this point I am sure!
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#4 of 10 posted
24 AUG 13 by
Jay-Jay
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Double Delight found a place in my garden too... despite the negative advice from some nurseries.
I like the scent and it behaves so so. Not good not bad, I mean. But a good rose for on a vase.
Nostalgie grows better and is healthier.
Goncmg: please keep on writing and stirring in the sometimes calm world of roses. And please stay enthousiastic!
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I don't yet know whether I'll be attending the auction. If I do, it will be the Sunday meeting.
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#6 of 10 posted
25 AUG 13 by
goncmg
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Kim, I will be there Friday evening and all day Saturday and checking out Sunday. Not sure if you have communicated with Dianne from Dianne's Southwest Idaho Rose Garden, but she and I chat a lot and her collection pretty much DOES approach Sangerhausen, lol----1000+----she will also be there. She and I and John Bagnasco traded some material via SInger in Wisconsin last year and are doing so again and Dianne and I are sending Singer some material any moment for him to bud for the auction............we'll pay Singer and do it as a donation...........expect a lot of orange from me. LOL. Magic Moon for sure since I have been able to mine that lone bed at Park of Roses. Maybe Miss Hillcrest. At this point it is more of a timing issue as mine are in a phase where they are growing so lush and fast by the time the bloom opens all nodes are pushing, tough to get good bud material. But I am involved. And need to get out and meet some people in "my tribe"....
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#10 of 10 posted
2 SEP 13 by
goncmg
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Kim, I finally got some pics of Chris's Project posted!!
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#7 of 10 posted
29 AUG 13 by
Ariel7
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I love this rose. I am totally smitten.
I live on the high plains of West Texas, where temperatures are regularly in the 90's from May through September, and often in the 100's in July and August. Yet this rose is one of the few, the very few that thrives in the unforgiving heat. I planted in April, our last frost was May 4th, highly unusual for this area. So everything got a late start. My IB is a first-year own-root rose, so I didn't expect much. Also, I pinch off the first buds to help new plants get started. So what did Ingrid do? First, she grew about two feet. Then she produced gorgeous, thick-petaled blooms: 8 the first flush, 7 the second flush, 8 the third flush. It is now the end of August. She is three feet tall and just finishing that third flush with huge 5-6" blooms. This in spite of the unforgiving heat. Oh, and she has new growth on her. She is getting ready for another flush! How many flushes will she have? Five? Six? My roses often bloom until December, it could well be seven or eight.
In all my years of growing roses--and I have more than 70 plants--the only other two roses I've seen thrive this way in West Texas heat are Seashell and Voluptuous. Too bad I can't get an own-root Voluptuous, but my Seashell is also OR, and it has been pushing out blooms nearly continuously. For those of you who need "thrive in heat" roses, Ingrid Bergman is one I highly recommend. Oh--and she does have a scent, a moderate "old rose" scent, which you can smell early in the morning on new blooms.
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#8 of 10 posted
29 AUG 13 by
Jay-Jay
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This rose flowers constantly over here untill the frosts kick in.
So there will be plenty of flushes at Your place!
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#9 of 10 posted
29 AUG 13 by
Ariel7
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I agree, Jay Jay! I think this one will be a "continual bloomer" in my garden now that she is getting more established. I am amazed though at this first-year rose. I got her from RU, what a great nursery--I'll be ordering from them again.
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My favorite red HT. Purchased as a sad looking specimen as a standard. As soon as it was placed in the ground and fed, it took off. Very strong robust canes and foliage. Excellent flower form, lasting up to 2 weeks in a vase and continuing to bloom well into winter. Sadly lacking in much perfume, but all it's other qualities well and truly make up for it.
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#1 of 1 posted
5 JUN 12 by
Jay-Jay
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I agree heartily, for my non standard Ingrid Bergman. Huge flowers that last long on a vase and a very healthy and robust plant! As for fragrance: it's nice and delicate, but not overwhelming. Sometimes hard to notice.
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