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'Madame Alfred Carrière' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 54-760
most recent 8 OCT 18 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 3 JUN 11 by Jay-Jay
The fragrance of this rose contains (in my opinion) Elder-blossom elements. In the whole a very interesting and nice medium to strong fragrance.
The flower however can better stay on the plant, because it has almost no vase-life.
My Mme. A. Carrière reached the height of almost 4 m. in less than two years. And that on a partially shaded spot!
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Reply #1 of 22 posted 1 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thanks for the info. I'm searching for a HUGE rose that is shade tolerant & fragrant to block out my new neighbor with a barking dog.
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Reply #2 of 22 posted 1 AUG 17 by Jay-Jay
I believe that no rose will do the trick for that purpose!
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Reply #3 of 22 posted 1 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I hope for once-bloomer & shade-tolerant & FRAGRANT & HUGE rose. I have 20+ trees around my yard to block, just this one gap that I want to put a rose in.
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Reply #4 of 22 posted 1 AUG 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Rosa canina?
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Reply #5 of 22 posted 1 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Andrew: Thank you, canina is HUGE, from 4 feet to 16 feet .. that's perfect.
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Reply #6 of 22 posted 2 AUG 17 by Margaret Furness
But, but, but. It's bird-spread, and is a declared pest plant in parts of Australia. And it's not all that fragrant. I think Andrew was making a joke re the name, not a serious suggestion.
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Reply #7 of 22 posted 2 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Margaret: Thanks, that got me laughing. Without Andrew, HMF would be utterly boring.
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Reply #8 of 22 posted 2 AUG 17 by Andrew from Dolton
I was indeed being facetious and Margaret very rightly points out that it is an aggressively invasive alien species in various locations around the world, beautiful though it is.
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Reply #9 of 22 posted 2 AUG 17 by Jay-Jay
If You must, You might try Scharlachglut, if You wouldn't mind the prickles... or Easlea's Golden Rambler, but that-one might develop bare legs. Why not Ghislaine de Féligonde (not very fragrant). Abraham Darby performs well in a (partial) shady spot, gets huge and is very fragrant. But as for the barking dog: Try talking to the neighbor.
And Rosa canina = Dog's Rose. (Canine)
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Reply #10 of 22 posted 2 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Jay-jay: Thank you for excellent tips. I had seen Abraham Darby (grafted) taller than my husband (he's 6 feet).
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Reply #11 of 22 posted 2 AUG 17 by Jay-Jay
I'm like that size and mine (A.D.) grafted is more than twice as large!
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Reply #12 of 22 posted 4 AUG 17 by Nastarana
"Jeremiah Pink" a found rose from High Country Roses has gotten huge in my yard, zone 5a, acid, heavy soil. It blooms once and the flowers are lovely, double pink with a touch of salmon, about 3" in dia. Makes a spectacular display in June. HCR calls it an alba, although the foliage is smaller, more rounded and more grassy green than the typical alba. Does tolerate in part shade in my yard. I think it is NOT "Banshee", but I suspect it might be identical with a rose found growing in Montana.
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Reply #13 of 22 posted 4 AUG 17 by Patricia Routley
Nastarana, did you mean to put your comment under 'Mme. Alfred Carriere' or "Jeremiah Pink"?
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Reply #16 of 22 posted 5 AUG 17 by Nastarana
My reply was to answer Straw about a possible candidate for her site.
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Reply #14 of 22 posted 4 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Thank you, Nastarana for the info. on Jeremiah Pink. High Country roses is my favorite nursery, such nice folks. Will have to make my soil loamy & acidic for any alba rose. Sometimes I double-post my comment: one inside a discussion, then the same comment inside a specific rose.
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Reply #15 of 22 posted 4 AUG 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Rosa 'Alba Maxima' will grow well on dry chalky alkali soil.
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Reply #17 of 22 posted 5 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Question for anyone: Does Alba class has "wafting scent" like "musk" roses? Or do you have to stick your nose close to sniff? It's heaven to walk pass a rose and can smell the perfume in the air, or open the window at night to smell the scent drifting inside. That's magical. There are only 5 roses in my garden that can carry the scent in the air: Marie pavie, Marie Daly, Perle d'Or, Excellenz von Schubert (these are hybrid musk), and Mary Magdalene (Austin rose with a wafting Frankincense/myrrh scent) .. but these are small bushes. Does a larger bush carry a wafting scent further with more blooms?
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Reply #18 of 22 posted 8 OCT 18 by Andrew from Dolton
It is like elder flower cordial.
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Reply #19 of 22 posted 8 OCT 18 by Jay-Jay
What's cordial? I know some drink mixed (alcoholic) beverages in the UK with Elder Flower.
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Reply #20 of 22 posted 8 OCT 18 by Andrew from Dolton
There is a very refreshing drink sometimes called elder flower champagne, very popular in Romania and called socata. You put in a bucket with some lemon juice and sugar then fill up with boiling water. Wait until it cools to luke warm then add the elder flowers and cover it. Stir the mixture every day and after (depending on how warm it is) three to five days you will start to see little bubbles forming. Strain the liquid and put in to 2 Litre plastic cola or other fizzy drink bottles. Then check every day and you will find the bottles become hard, because of all the gas. It is a very nice drink, served very cold it is just very mildly alcoholic even a child could drink it.
The cordial is a drink made by boiling the flowers in a lot of sugar. You would drink it by putting about 50ML in a half litre glass and filling the rest with water. It is very nice if you put the same amount of gin as cordial then fill the rest of the glass with tonic water and add a slice of lemon. It is divine drunk on a warm summer evening when the honeysuckle, elder flowers and of course the roses fill the air with the most magical fragrance.
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Reply #21 of 22 posted 8 OCT 18 by Jay-Jay
We have a slightly different recipe for(champagne) Elderflower lemonade, but it is similarly made. Last year I added fragrant rose flowers to the mixture. And no, not pouring boiling water on the elder-flowers, but boiled water with dissolved sugar and lemon juice in it... and cooled down to 25°C. Or else You would kill the yeast living on the elder flowers.
Also a syrup can be made with lemons and lemon zest and can be drunk hot in winter and cold in the summer with bubble water or cold tap-water.
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Reply #22 of 22 posted 8 OCT 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Oh yes, I had forgotten about the elderflowers and hot water, and I have now altered what I originally wrote. I have a cut leaved elder, f.laciniata, with Rosa arvensis and 'New Dawn' rambling through it. They all flower together and look really beautiful.
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Discussion id : 100-504
most recent 6 JUN 17 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 6 JUN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
This rose experienced two hard air frosts at the end of April. Whilst it did not damage any of the new growth every bud developed to the stage of almost opening, and then fell off.
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Discussion id : 67-560
most recent 27 JAN 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 OCT 12 by kahlenberg
this rose turned out to be hardier than described, because it made it through last winter which was very severe here (-30 °). even some gallicas faded away.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 9 FEB 13 by Chris
how has it done since?
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 10 FEB 13 by kahlenberg
very well, so far; all branches are still green, but winter is not over yet. try to get some pictures.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 11 FEB 13 by Jay-Jay
I have to agree, over here it survived with flying colours lower temps than -20°C.
See my pictures of last year and last winter.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 27 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
It suffers from die-back in a cold U.K. winter such as 2010 when the temperature dropped to -18 in my location. We generally get cool wet summers that encourage sappy growth in climates with warmer drier summers plants can tolerate colder winter temperatures.
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 27 JAN 17 by Jay-Jay
Andrew, please take a look at this photo: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.191847 Juicy as possible... and the photo's taken at later moments. Brown leaves, but like a Phoenix it came back, despite the similar climate as Yours.
Maybe You fertilized it with too much Nitrogen late in the season???
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 27 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Oh yes very much like that although there are far fewer leaves on my plant in winter. It is only in a very cold year that this happens. The problem in The U.K. is that being an island we don't have a continental climate with long summers and long winters. Spring can start in February and Winter can still be hanging around in May, the same in reverse happens in autumn. My garden increases this problem being in the bottom of a valley. Growing vegetables is difficult as there is quite a short growing season in 2007 I had a -3 frost on May 23rd. Frosts occur in June and September frequently, in 2015 there was a bloody frost in July! High rain fall in summer and constant heavy dew create the perfect conditions for blackspot although I have almost never seen any types of mildews or of rust. I don't feed any roses in open ground after the beginning of July but that does not stop weak and sappy growth continuing to grow throughout October and into November. But as you say, "like a phoenix" Madame Alfred always bounces back. It is always just about the first rose to start blooming and the last to finish. Although on average years I would estimate my garden to be zone 7 it is rather immaterial because winter can be so erratic, in 2015 we had a temperature of 14.5 as a night time low in December, a record warm temperature, in 2010 during the same period I woke to find crab claws of frost on my bathroom mirror!! I think die back also has something to do with mineral deficiencies in the soil, boron in particular, which I am attempting to correct and will write about my ideas on that matter in due course.
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Discussion id : 83-609
most recent 6 OCT 16 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 9 MAR 15 by Jay-Jay
This rose does very well in zone 6b too! It survived with flying colours some bad winters with temps as low as -20°C! In the description is mentioned 7b through 10b.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 30 APR 16 by kysusan
Thanks for that, Jay-Jay . I saw zone 7B in the description and decided not to grow this, I'm in 6B. Now I'll give it a try.

My zone 7 roses froze this past winter. Deader than dead. Thanks again.
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 30 APR 16 by Jay-Jay
You're welcome Kysusan
Did You take a look at my photos of this rose that winter 2011-2012 + description?
We had a very warm winter that year (and still some roses had flowers) until the end of January and suddenly the temps plummeted. And a very cold period followed with low temps, lots of sun and no snow-cover.
...Then see the photos from February and how it recovered later that year.
PS: How is Your new garden doing? I only saw a photo of a barren field until now.
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 5 OCT 16 by kysusan
Jay-Jay, transforming nicely, thank you. It's more like a farming operation than garden, about 80 so far.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 5 OCT 16 by Jay-Jay
Looking good... a good start for a real garden instead of "farmland".
It might need some height(backbone): (fruit-)trees and shrubs maybe?
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 6 OCT 16 by Give me caffeine
As the song says - "Trees are good, trees are good".

The garden is off to a good start by the look of it, but some variation in height and form is always nice, as is a bit of shade here and there. Unless, for some reason, you are after a rose specimen garden only.

The other good thing about trees is they can make good windbreaks for your roses. My block is too open at the moment (trees are currently babies) and I've had several roses end up on their ears.
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 6 OCT 16 by Jay-Jay
I'm not familiar with that song... will look it up.
The surroundings look(flat), as if the roses might need some windshield.
Good luck and happy labor!
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