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'Penelope' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 106-667
most recent 21 JAN HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 27 NOV 17 by Andrew from Dolton
This is as well coloured as my 'Penelope's hips ever get.
I'm not able to upload a picture at present.
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 27 NOV 17 by Jay-Jay
From an earlier discussion about so-called Hybrid Musks:

Reply #11 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for that Jay-Jay.
'Penelope' is one of my favourite roses, the bud clusters as the first blooms are just opening look quite moschata like. Apparently it is the only rose with pink hips, but I have never seen photographic evidence of this. Mine only ever manage a dullish orange.

Reply #10 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
When You look at Penelope, way back in the parentage tree, behind Desprez, You can actually find Rosa moschata Herrm. But what the unknown parentage is of the other used roses and/or seedlings???
There is a most interesting book about hybrid Musks written by Anne Velle with a Geneology tree of Hybrid- Moschata in it: ISBN: 978 90 209 9623 4
Maybe Anne Velle might be able/willing/so kind to upload that page... or the interested might buy this book!

Reply #11 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for that Jay-Jay.
'Penelope' is one of my favourite roses, the bud clusters as the first blooms are just opening look quite moschata like. Apparently it is the only rose with pink hips, but I have never seen photographic evidence of this. Mine only ever manage a dullish orange.

Reply #13 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Orange hips You mean and pink flower-buds?

Reply #14 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Graham Stuart Thomas says that 'Penenope' has pink hips.

Reply #15 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
A slip of the tongue?

Reply #16 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thomas wrote hips as heps, because of the reference to that part of a females' anatomy. He used the archaic English spelling shew/shews instead of show/shows.

Reply #17 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
No confusion over here, we call them "bottels" (not Bottles). But some hips look like bottles or are urn-shaped.
Never thought of that female anatomy in combination with the rose-fruit ;-)
And is the color rose/rosé (roze in Dutch) not in fact pink? Rose-hips wrongly transformed in pink hips?

Reply #21 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Is any rose known to develop pink hips?
I never saw any and never heard of that.
Heard of, or seen these colors: Red, orange, yellow, green, all in different shades... and black hips.
Brown and gray hips too, but they were rotten or mouldy.

Reply #22 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
In Graham Stuart Thomas Shrub Roses of Today, 1974 revised edition p.162-3:

'Penelope'.
...By late November the heps develop their soft colouring, it is a delightful diversion from the usual red, glossy berries of most shrubs to find these heps are dull and bloom-covered, and change from cool green to coral pink slowly. The warmer the autumn the more highly coloured they become, and last for many weeks. I know of no other shrubs with berries approaching this colour. (Plate III, heps only.).

There is even a coloured plate which I think was painted by Thomas himself, 'Penelope' on the centre left.

Reply #23 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Thank You,
That's indeed pearl pink. Would be nice in fall/winter.
Never seen before. The description on HMF states orange hips.
Maybe a member has some hip-photo's (no röntgen images) and can upload them.
Or make some, for on the Northern Hemisphere it is the time for rose-hips.
Maybe a part of this discussion might be transplanted to the Penelope page?

Reply #24 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Jay-Jay, I'll reply to you in the comments for 'Penelope'.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 27 NOV 17 by Jay-Jay
Can You upload that picture, You uploaded at Dinky, and/or post that-one at photo's for Penelope.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 27 NOV 17 by Andrew from Dolton
Sure.
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 21 JAN by Andrew from Dolton
Well here are some hips from the first flush of flowers at the end of May. It was a long hot dry summer here and I cut the hips off to photograph them, I don't think they will ripen anymore now. They are a terracotta colour with a tiny hint of pink, no way close to the coral pink of Thomas' painting.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 21 JAN by Marlorena
I wonder if your soil ph plays a part?... here in East Anglia when I had 'Penelope' I got that blush pink colour on the hips.... I thought they were very lovely and confirmed what Thomas said.. that's why I grew it... but I got disappointed with its rebloom, so didn't keep it..
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 21 JAN by Andrew from Dolton
The soil at Briar Cottage or Sunningdale Nursery would have been acid sand. My soil is stony loam and acid too but not such a low PH as Surrey. My plant and another at a garden I tend in the village repeat flower well three time a year very well especially in Sept/Oct. I notice from the painting too that the hips are a different shape as well without any hint of a calyx.
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 21 JAN by Jay-Jay
It might be the wax on the hips, that might be pictured. Your hips just have almost no wax. Apples can look pink due by wax on the peel, but when rubbed purple or red.
This photo shows more wax... ergo more pinkish: http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.137226
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 21 JAN by Andrew from Dolton
True, they do have a slight bloom on them now largely washed off by the rain. I have been watching them like a hawk and at no point during the ripening process have they been any colour but green, then pale orange, then orange.
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