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'Bracteate Rose' Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 72-121
most recent 2 JUN 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 2 JUN 13 by cafeaulait
I grow it up a 100 year-old tree that has roots that are invasive. It makes a lovely, mannerly picture there! I'm in z 7b. It's not evergreen here. The bees sleep in the flowers all the time :)
Discussion id : 70-586
most recent 22 MAR 13 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 22 MAR 13 by Noir
It is interesting to see a rose that is actually native to my country! I didn't even know we had a rose that grew here. Next time I'm away from Manila, I'm gonna keep an eye out for any of these and hopefully bring home a cutting or two.
Discussion id : 39-059
most recent 21 SEP 09 SHOW ALL
Initial post 9 SEP 09 by Simon Voorwinde
Does Rosa Bracteata sucker? Trying to decide where to locate my specimen... I know it layers easily where it touches the ground... I can handle that... it's the suckering I'm concerned about.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 9 SEP 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
YES, it's very invasive, especially once you try to remove it. It will keep suckering for years after.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 9 SEP 09 by Simon Voorwinde
Hi Robert,

Have you done any crosses with bracteata? Does this suckering trait pass on readily to its progeny?
Reply #3 of 7 posted 9 SEP 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Simon, I decided long ago to use the work of Ralph Moore, Viru Viraraghavan and others instead of trying to go back and use bracteata directly.

Not to do so is to devalue their efforts. This was at least, my attitude at the time.

On the other hand in some ways we know more now than they knew when these hybrids were made and we have more choices as to how to proceed and possibly avoid some of the pitfalls pervading modern bracteata hybrids.

I might go back and work with bracteata directly if I were younger, just starting out and didn't already have so many fully fertile descendants.

I'd likely try to create or at least expand upon the diploid race of bracteata hybrids.

In answer to your question, some close hybrids like 'Mermaid' do have suckering problems associated with bracteata lineage. The tendency does get passed along.

If I were to grow bracteata again I wouldn't plant it directly in the ground. I would keep it in a container and watch that it doesn't root into the ground.
Reply #4 of 7 posted 9 SEP 09 by Simon Voorwinde
I would love to build on the work of others like Mr Viraraghavan and Mr Moore, if only we could get them here. I can get seeds sent here and would like to go down this path some day... but while I am still relatively young I think I would like to see if these early hybrids can be recreated (not exactly... but using the same logic and reasoning), and in a sense carry on the work of others by following their lead. Building on the diploid bracteata hybrids is something I'd like to do as well.

I think I will do as you recommend and grow my bracteata in a large container and keep it on a rack to prevent the roots from reaching the ground to avoid issues with suckering.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 9 SEP 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I had a large specimen of bracteata about ten years old. It was very beautiful, blossoming several months of the year once established, but it was an unruly thug in the garden. It kept running over anything nearby and then it would pop up where it wasn't wanted.

I was warned by those at Sequoia Nsy. that it would get out of control but I thought I knew better.

Not surprisingly it got too large, especially considering the few attempts I made using it directly for hybridizing failed.

It was a huge effort to remove it. Bracteata prickles are especially sharp and strong. They will go right through the palm of a heavy leather work glove. Once removed the suckers came up everywhere. It took several years of pulling and hoeing to finally eradicate. It's an amazing survivor.

Ralph Moore tried using bracteata directly for decades and 'Muriel' was the only thing he got out of it. He's quite proud of 'Muriel' and rightfully so.

As I said, we have more information now. The hybrids of Viraraghavan and Lens suggest other avenues of exploration. There are more, like the hybrids created by Tom Silvers and Pierre Rutten.

Bracteata has great potential. We've barely scratched the surface of what's possible from it.
Reply #6 of 7 posted 19 SEP 09 by Margaret Furness
R bracteata eats Glyphosphate and Blackberry-killer. As well as suckering over long distances, it roots down. Another one on my Never-Again list!
Reply #7 of 7 posted 21 SEP 09 by HMF Admin
Good to know !!
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