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That's an interesting house and garden. Does it get very cold where you are?
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Hello Margaret, these place in the south Argentina, is in Patagonia at the foot of Andes mountain, it is cold but no so much, about -15C as much in july or august, but not so much, and not for so much time, there is a big lake near of my house, in fact the roses in general (all variety) grow very well, and don't suffer frost, except Banksie, that I loose these year. I love Teas, and I find some in the country of the Buenos Aires province, where there are old "estancias", that mean rich farms, the owners taken these roses at the end of s.XIX, early XX from Europe, from mediterranean places, to Buenos Aires, where the temperature is subtropical. I am trying now to grow the teas in my place, in the south, and for now, with success¡¡¡. I find two teas in that places that I couldn't classify, I hope at the next summer take some photos and put in these site for some help. Sorry my english, but usually I speak in spanish¡¡¡ Keep in touch, Thank for your interest
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I'd say -15 is cold! It hardly ever goes below -1C here, and we complain bitterly when it does. I'm impressed that you can grow Teas at all. They do very well in the southern parts of mainland Australia, so many of us have a particular interest in them. We'll be looking forward to seeing photos of your unknowns. If they have hips now, it would be worth photographing them.
Your English is better than my Spanish. Best wishes,
Margaret
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Well I'm trying to do the best with my english, just because it's difficult here in Argentina to discuss with someone about OGR, and I think there are possibles hidden treasures in middle of the Pampas, where I actually find some variety of tea roses; and there is one that I specially love because I find it in an old garden in Bariloche (the place in Patagonia where I have my garden), these beautiful rose grows very strong now in my garden, and I think that may be Fortune's double yellow. I have now some photos of these rose that I take these past summer, I try to put them in these site, may be you can help me and say something about it. And thank you again
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#6 of 12 posted
4 AUG 10 by
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I am no expert, but I do not think this rose is Fortune's Double Yellow. The leaf margins of Fortune's Double Yellow are slightly wavy, and its leaflet shape is more lanceolate.
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.101359
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4 AUG 10 by
jedmar
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Bloom shape and colouring recalls 'Mrs. Dudley Cross', though mine is more cream than apricot here in Switzerland. Are there many or few prickles on the canes? Do the sepals reflex when bloming? 'Rosette Delizy' is another possibility.
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I don't know 'Mrs. Dudley Cross', neither 'Rosette Delizy', but I saw the photos in these site of both variety, and the description of these two, and doesn't coincide with my rose, that in three years arrive at 3m high, it's more buff yellow and apricot than clear pink as I suppose to be 'Mrs. D. Cross', and yes the colour is more similar to 'R. Delizy', but not the shape of buds and the flower in general, but I only speak in reference to what I see in the pictures. I try to upload some more photos to these forum, these photos I take past summer, an as I say before, I am not near my garden in these moment to take more photos of the general or particular aspects of the rose in winter. Have a lot of strong prickles in the canes
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Hello Margaret again, I forget to say you that I am now in Buenos Aires city for some days, I return to the south at the end of august, I tremble because has being so cold these month, I hope the tea had resisted, I decide before I travel in june to leave them with little protection, I am proving their hardiness...and when I will come back I will tell you what happened, and send the photos of what rested of my beloved teas...now I pray...But what is sure is that the supposed Fortune's will be there, because I find her there, and she survived almost hundred years. Best wishes
Rafael
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She looks lovely. I'm assuming she flowers only in spring? I think your guess is right, but I'm not an expert, so I've asked Billy Teabag to comment.
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She flowers in spring for a long time, and then she repeat in autumn with two or three flowers only, but I read in different books different opinions about Fortune's D. Y., some said that repeat a little (like P. Beales), some said not...and there are different opinions about class too, it's a tea?, she look like, with all its characteristics, including variations in colour, she changes all time, and the few autumn flowers are a pale buff yellow only without any of orange or veins of crimson that have in spring flowers; she always have strong fruity wonderful scent, is very vigorous, grow in own roots and is easy to grow from cuttings. As you see, I am very interested in identify these rose, is the only plant that I find here in Argentina, it's not in nursery, is difficult to know the origin, I find her in a garden at an old house of a Bariloche pioneer, and the actual owner generously gave me one of two plants there was; and that's all I know
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Dear Rafael,
Your comment about the strong fruity scent makes me wonder if it could be 'Sutter's Gold'. The flowers and bud are certainly similar.
Patricia
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Thank you, Patricia, I think you probably find the key, you are right, I never hear about 'Sutter's Gold', and I find that it's very similar. My vanity make me put these magnificent rose in the middle of my garden, thinking that was The 'St. Rafael Rose', now I must begin to love the rose with other name, and forget my "narcisismo", any way, the rose whatever her name is, merit these special place. And I will work to find the 'Fortune's Double Yellow', not only because her second name,but because the incredible history of these old rose is very attractive and mysterious for me. And if these rose that I find is not, it means that probably there is not in Argentina.
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I am glad to help Rafael. Most of the old roses remain mysterious for me too.
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