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Maman Cochet  rose photo courtesy of member HubertG
Discussion id : 125-755
most recent 17 FEB 21 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 16 FEB 21 by Duchesse
did anything sprout?
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Reply #1 of 9 posted 16 FEB 21 by HubertG
Yes, but they all died. I meant to post photos of the ones which flowered, but it's just all too sad :(
I have in fact managed to get quite a few hips from this bush. I scrutinise every flower to see if it has stigma and pollinate it with whatever is on hand, mainly other teas.
The ability to turn pink in sunlight seemed to be easily transmitted to varying degrees. Not much scent as a rule. Varied from nearly single to very double. Pastel shades.
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Reply #2 of 9 posted 16 FEB 21 by Margaret Furness
I wonder if there's something in eg. your soil, that makes Maman Cochet do this: and whether it might also explain why you get hips on "Dr Grill ex Honeysuckle Nursery". My plant of the latter is young and hasn't had many flowers, but no hips yet.
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Reply #4 of 9 posted 17 FEB 21 by HubertG
Margaret, I don't know, quite possibly. The previous owners seemed to have dumped a lot of builders lime in the garden, and goodness knows what else. However I've had that 'Maman Cochet' for at least 15 years and never hips before this. I do think it's a sport because the hips only set on one branch, but maybe me not feeding it very much has contributed. Not all flowers on that branch have the perfect reproductive parts as in one of my photos; some have about half the stigma as that and can still be successfully pollinated though. A few flowers are 'normal' with no fertile female parts at all. The fertile flowers also offer a ring of stamens (you can get a few stamens out of a regular 'Maman Cochet' but you have to hunt for them in the rosette bundle) so another advantage is that you can then also use its pollen.
An interesting feature is that the squarer the receptacle is, the less round the hip is too. Also the hips seem to grow in size very quickly and they don't come off very easily until very ripe. A very ripe hip will have quite a bit of red colouring to it which I find unusual for a Tea. It makes me wonder if there is a bit of 'something else' in its ancestry besides Tea.

My 'Dr.Grill (ex Honeysuckle) has always produced hips anywhere on the bush. Margaret, when your plant is a little older try pulling out the centre petals when the flower is open and apply fresh pollen of anything. You should get a hip. I can't get any hips on my 'William R. Smith' (came as Dr. Grill). I might try again but I gave up before.
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Reply #3 of 9 posted 16 FEB 21 by Duchesse
so sad, no surviving babies. I have a Prospero with a most unusual recessed receptacle and apparently no stamen, well maybe one or two tied up in petals. I put some other pollen in there and I guess we shall see what happens. Fascinated by all this stuff.
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Reply #5 of 9 posted 17 FEB 21 by HubertG
I've no doubt my 'Maman Cochet' will have progeny. I can germinate them, transplant the new seedlings, get them to flower, but after flowering they seem to go backwards, get sick and die. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. Maybe by that stage it's very hot and humid here and they don't like it. Being infested at times with spider mite hasn't helped. It'll all work out though, I'm sure.

Good luck with your 'Prospero', duchesse.
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Reply #6 of 9 posted 17 FEB 21 by Give me caffeine
Is it possible that flowering takes too much out of them when they are small, and that they would do better if disbudded until the next year?
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Reply #7 of 9 posted 17 FEB 21 by HubertG
I've thought that too. However I can't bring myself to nip off their first flowers because wondering how they'll turn out is the most exciting thing.
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Reply #8 of 9 posted 17 FEB 21 by Give me caffeine
Understandable, but if they turn out dead when you don't...
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Reply #9 of 9 posted 17 FEB 21 by HubertG
OK, the next batch I'll just steel myself ... ;-)
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Discussion id : 115-561
most recent 1 MAR 19 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 28 FEB 19 by HubertG
On 27th February 2019, observing the very ripe-looking yellow-orange hip, I noticed that the abscission zone of the stem was also yellowing. Very gentle pressure on the hip caused it to come away very easily. The hip measures just over 3cm in diameter and 10cm in circumference. I haven't opened the hip yet, although I'm very tempted, thinking perhaps it might be better for the seeds to stay in the ripe fruit for a while, as would most likely happen in nature.

What would those here experienced in growing from seeds advise?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 1 MAR 19 by Patricia Routley
I have wrapped my ‘Baby Faurax’ whole hips in a kitchen paper towel sprinkled with a few drops of water, and then wrapped in plastic wrap. Into the refrigerator crisper for four to six weeks, then deseeded and sown into a tray of seed-raising mix. You must prick them out as soon as you see those first two tiny leaves. I have never tried to grow a tea from seed though.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 MAR 19 by HubertG
Thanks for the advice, Patricia. Because it's 1st March, and officially autumn now in Australia, a month or so in the fridge would mean mid-autumn planting, so not too hot then for germinating seeds.

Any other helpful advice from anybody? I'm anxious to do everything right with this one because of its rarity and potential for something good.
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