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Do you have a picture of the rose Le Vesuve that you could send to me for use in our monthly newsletter, Nashvile Rose Leaf? Thanks! Charles Lott
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I no longer grow 'Le Vesuve'. You might contact Cliff Orent. He still grows this variety and would probably offer a photo. Thanks, Robert
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Robert, Do you have a website that has pictures of some of the roses in your garden? Thanks! Charles
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Hi Robert!
On a thread at the Garden Forum, a very knowledgable rosarian said her favorite rose when it came to scent was, "Nessie". Would you tell more about it and post more pictures? I have found very little, not even a nursery that sells it. Thanks!
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Although I am not Robert, I can lead you to some information about 'Nessie' which can be found in a HelpMeFind.com Ezine article about Kim Rupert, the hybridizer. You can find the article by clicking on "Ezine", then "Text Search" and then entering 'Nessie' in the search field. Be sure to click the search button because just hitting enter will not initiate the search. You will find an article about Kim Rupert and several of his roses.
Smiles,
Lyn helpmefind.com
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Hi David, my 'Nessie' is an own-root I made from a cutting out of Kim Rupert's Garden. It took a few years to flower. Nessie gets HUGE. I don't have any idea how big it could eventually become but I would venture to guess it could go into the 30-40' range without too much trouble. It's a larger grower than most gardens can accomodate. Unfortunately I'll have to remove mine before it gets too large. I wish I could give it the space it deserves. Kim has said be believes the pollen parent may have been 'Cecile Brunner'. Nessie does have a lovely scent. I'll try to post more flowerts when it blossoms next season. Best, Robert
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Thanks! According to Helpmefind's , Ashdown (sp?) sells it, but I checked there and it wasn't available; I guess I have to contact them.
I've been looking for a rose that can reach super heights as I have 2 gigantic ancient pine trees in my yard. If Nessie did get that big, it might be proportionate in scale... every rose has its place!
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Yes, Nessie might be a good selection too in that it it has relatively few prickles as it matures. I suspect Nessie isn't particularly hardy considering it's ancestry. If you live in the South, I think it's one you could definitely consider, though most roses don't usually thrive in proximity to Pine trees. If you could plant on the perimeter of the tree you'd like Nessie to inhabit with the idea that the prevailing wind could assist you in allowing it to access the pine. I think you might have success. I'll copy this message to Kim and perhaps he can advise. Best, Robert
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Thanks, that would be wonderful. I'm a beginner and didn't know that about pine trees. Most of their needles, which are only at the top, go into my neighbor's yard, if that makes a difference. I use the needles that do fall into my yard as mulch for my acid loving camellias and gardenias.
I'd be curious as to how Nessie would do here where my only concern with roses seems to be blackspot. In central Florida, its the opposite of a desert, our hot, humid summers can zap some roses as well as causing this fungus. On the other hand, if they can stand it, it's not surprising to find roses growing much larger than expected. Emily
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Hi, Emily. I'd expect Nessie to be able to hold her own there in Florida. She's a seedling of Montecito, a cross between R. Gigantea and R. Moschata, both of which are tropical species. A number of folks are investigating Gigantea for use in your type of climate, including a few in India. I live in the mid desert in Southern California where it gets hot as well as rather cold. Usually, our humidity isn't that high, but we are continually messing up our climate with more polution and irrigation, so the relative humidity is rising every year. So far here, there has been no disease on Nessie, period. She does suffer from sun burn on her canes here, but that's due to our intense sun and water stress she suffers due to my ability to keep her watered sufficiently. I'm not completely sure of the pollen parent because desert rodents stole all of the breeding tags from the seed bed, despite the hardware cloth I'd stapled to the frame covering it. I used a number of different pollen on Montecito. Nessie most closely resembles what I'd expect from a cross with Mlle. Cecile Brunner, which, without DNA analysis, is the closest I can come to guessing the pollen parent. I know Mlle. Cecile Brunner does well in Florida, and there is no reason to expect Montecito not to be a success there. Nessie should do just fine.
It's not the pine needles Robert is concerned about. It's interferance from the pine tree roots as well as its shade. Usually, planting the rose closer to the drip zone of the tree will permit it more root room and less deprivation of nutrients and water from the canopy shielding the rose from rain and light. I've found it useful to secure a heavy duty rope, cable or chain to a lower limb of the tree near the outer edge of the drip zone and a stake driven into the ground where you wish to train the rose to grow into the tree. You'll find it easier to begin with a more mature plant of the rose than a young plant because of the inertia the rose gains as it develops. A "baby" plant may not be strong enough to endure the competition from the tree. If you can grow it up a while in a nursery can, I think you'll be happier with the results than you will if you plant out the smaller one. As the canes develop, secure them to the guide line until they reach the tree limbs. These roses are tree scramblers and should have no trouble knowing what to do and where to do it. They naturally grow toward the sun and have the elongated canes with which to accomplish it. Roses naturally stretch to reach the light. Combined with the increased length of the giant species' canes, they'll hit the outer edges of the tree's canopy and shower down with panacles of bloom. Just be sure to provide enough supplemental irrigation and fertilization for the rose as it's going to have quite a bit of competition from the pine tree's roots. Using the needles to mulch around the rose should help keep any weeds down, the soil more moist and prevent it from baking if you get a hot, dry spell. The needles take a long time to break down, so be sure to watch the nitrogen levels as the soil bacteria need enough to do their job, or they'll rob it from the plants.
Ashdown should be able to help you get a plant of Nessie. Please let me know about how it goes getting the plant from them. I also look forward to seeing how Nessie likes eating your pine tree. Good luck! I know you'll enjoy Nessie. She's impressed me from her early infancy. Thank you! Kim Rupert
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18 JAN 06 by
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You're welcome! Kim
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Thank you so much! Emily
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2 SEP 05 by
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Hello, I love the pictures of your roses. I am interested in Reveil Dijonnais, it looks like a very striking rose. It is an easy grower? I live in a hot climate with mild Winters, also is a shrub or more of a climber?
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Hi Rose, I've found Reveil Dijonnais to be a particularly strong growing climber in my warm Winter climate. I would guess that it would thrive for you. Apparently there is a propensity toward blackspot in some climates. I've found that this rose can sucker when grown own-root. Thanks, Robert
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Robert,
Your photo of 'Hoot Owl' is very orange instead of the expected red. Someone has written us suggesting the photo may be 'Austrian Copper' instead. What do you think ?
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This rose probably looks Orange due to our unusually warm weather. I'm sure it is correct. Thanks, Robert
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