Ah yes Patricia, thank you for making me look at it properly! Looking at the 'Turner's Crimson' pictures, your rose has very bristly pedicles whilst mine are smooth and green. The rose will be really vigorous, it was only planted this year as a stick in a 2lt pot but has since sent out masses of shoots and managed to produce a couple of flowers low down on the ground. The stipules are like a saw blade wth small regular cillates, not all whispy like a usual multiflora hybrid. There is a row prickles along the mid-rib on the back of the leaf. The flowers are the same colour as 'Excelsa', 'Manetti' is far too pale. Something I have noticed on HMF is that often other peoples' roses are a stronger colour than mine, presumably you receive more, brighter and hotter sun than I do.
The parent plant grew as a sort of half rambler and half shrub sending out long shoots sprawling all over the place. It grew in a semi-wild garden in a nearby town, where I rustled it from. I thought at first it might have been 'Cerise Bouquet'. The leaves are rounder and darker green than 'Turner's Crimson'. It has since been "tidied-up" and has not flowered this year.
Two weeks ago it was 32 degrees, now is down to 12 with the most cheerless heavy drizzle, I just lit the fire, such a depressing thing to be doing in the middle of summer.