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From an earlier discussion about so-called Hybrid Musks:
Reply #11 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for that Jay-Jay.
'Penelope' is one of my favourite roses, the bud clusters as the first blooms are just opening look quite moschata like. Apparently it is the only rose with pink hips, but I have never seen photographic evidence of this. Mine only ever manage a dullish orange.
Reply #10 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
When You look at Penelope, way back in the parentage tree, behind Desprez, You can actually find Rosa moschata Herrm. But what the unknown parentage is of the other used roses and/or seedlings???
There is a most interesting book about hybrid Musks written by Anne Velle with a Geneology tree of Hybrid- Moschata in it: ISBN: 978 90 209 9623 4
Maybe Anne Velle might be able/willing/so kind to upload that page... or the interested might buy this book!
Reply #11 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thank you for that Jay-Jay.
'Penelope' is one of my favourite roses, the bud clusters as the first blooms are just opening look quite moschata like. Apparently it is the only rose with pink hips, but I have never seen photographic evidence of this. Mine only ever manage a dullish orange.
Reply #13 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Orange hips You mean and pink flower-buds?
Reply #14 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Graham Stuart Thomas says that 'Penenope' has pink hips.
Reply #15 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
A slip of the tongue?
Reply #16 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Thomas wrote hips as heps, because of the reference to that part of a females' anatomy. He used the archaic English spelling shew/shews instead of show/shows.
Reply #17 of 24 posted 5 days ago by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
No confusion over here, we call them "bottels" (not Bottles). But some hips look like bottles or are urn-shaped.
Never thought of that female anatomy in combination with the rose-fruit ;-)
And is the color rose/rosé (roze in Dutch) not in fact pink? Rose-hips wrongly transformed in pink hips?
Reply #21 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Is any rose known to develop pink hips?
I never saw any and never heard of that.
Heard of, or seen these colors: Red, orange, yellow, green, all in different shades... and black hips.
Brown and gray hips too, but they were rotten or mouldy.
Reply #22 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
In Graham Stuart Thomas Shrub Roses of Today, 1974 revised edition p.162-3:
'Penelope'.
...By late November the heps develop their soft colouring, it is a delightful diversion from the usual red, glossy berries of most shrubs to find these heps are dull and bloom-covered, and change from cool green to coral pink slowly. The warmer the autumn the more highly coloured they become, and last for many weeks. I know of no other shrubs with berries approaching this colour. (Plate III, heps only.).
There is even a coloured plate which I think was painted by Thomas himself, 'Penelope' on the centre left.
Reply #23 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Jay-Jay
Thank You,
That's indeed pearl pink. Would be nice in fall/winter.
Never seen before. The description on HMF states orange hips.
Maybe a member has some hip-photo's (no röntgen images) and can upload them.
Or make some, for on the Northern Hemisphere it is the time for rose-hips.
Maybe a part of this discussion might be transplanted to the Penelope page?
Reply #24 of 24 posted today by [HMF supporting member] Andrew from Dolton
Jay-Jay, I'll reply to you in the comments for 'Penelope'.
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