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so what gives? Are Reine des Violettes and Mme. Isaac Pereire sold as the same rose? Mine is pale almost lavender and does not perform without constant attention and generous amounts of nutrients - with special attention to potash? Which is it?
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Neither?
The photos on hmf show that the colours of R des V are very hard to convey with digital cameras, and at least two roses are sold under this name (I'm told there has been considerable discussion of this in Germany).
If your rose is pale, it's not what I grow as R des V, nor is it Mme Isaac, who is, shall we say, unsubtle.
The references re prickles for R des V may help you.
Mme Isaac sets lots of red hips; R des V rarely sets any in my garden.
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#2 of 6 posted
5 JUN 12 by
Seil
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I agree with Margaret,. My RdV has deep smoky lavender blooms about 2 inches in size that do not last long, is virtually thornless and does not set hips readily. As an amature breeder I've tried many times with no luck. I do not have MIP but do have several offspring from her hips and they are much pinker and thornier.
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#3 of 6 posted
6 JUN 12 by
 GeorgeZ
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I was able to trace the invoice of where I bought the rose. It was sold as RdV to me by Vintage Roses and from their book on the origin of their plants, it came to them from Pickering. It is practically thornless, the blooms hide or reveal themselves right before opening - as Graham Stuart Thomas wrote about. The foliage is as he says, "leaden". Pale green without an ounce of character.The early blooms are always a mess. I have yet to get rebloom in the fall.
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#4 of 6 posted
6 JUN 12 by
Seil
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It does look like RdV. I have to agree that the blooms can look kind of messy sometimes and they do not last for long. Don't try to cut them either because they shatter almost immediatly once they're off the bush. And the leaves are a very dull lighter green.
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#5 of 6 posted
6 JUN 12 by
jedmar
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Unfortunately there are many roses in commerce being sold as RdV. More unfortunately, even the earliest references are conflicting. See the illustration from 1860 I posted end of 2008: dark slate colour, with prickles. The next reference from Germany in 1861: Dark violet with reddish centre, without prickles.
All lighter coloured versions are incorrect and may be throwbacks to 'Pope Pius IX'.
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Your first photo looks reasonably like my plant, but I don't think I've seen mine looking like your second photo.
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