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'Francis Dubreuil' rose Reviews & Comments
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It would be fun to find the original article in English.
From Journal des rose - July 1898.
ROSES HYBRIDES DE THÉ ET LES MEILLEURES ROSES NOUVELLES Mises au Commerce de 1889 à 1896 - PEMBERTON Membre de la Société royale d'horticulture de Londres.
Page 108
Hybrid teas and the best new roses in trade from 1889 to 1896 - By Pemberton member of the royal horticultural society of London.
Francis Dubreuil, thé. — C'est certainement la meilleure rose thé rouge obtenue jusqu'ici. La fleur épanouie est presque aussi grande qu'un hybride remontant, elle est éminemment proper aux expositions, les boutons sont bien formés, ressemblant à ceux d'un camélia. C'est une excellent variété pour forcer.
Francis Dubreuil, tea - It is the best tea rose created until now. The open flower is nearly big as a hybrid perpetual, it is definitely a rose for exhibitions, the buds are well formed, resembling that of a Camelia. It's an excellent variety for forcing.
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Added. "Nearly as big as a hybrid perpetual" !
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Writers, anything to attract attention :-)
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Patricia, I'm not sure if any of this is helpful. I'll post it however:
Journal des Roses – Feb 1903 – Page 34
Excerpt of ROSES NOUVELLES, TRÈS Nouvelles ET ANCIENNES article.
Deutsche Gartner Zeitung.
Francis Dubreuil, vendue par Dubreuil en 1895, est peut-être la plus foncée des roses thé ; elle est de végétation vigoureuse à tiges fermes et donne à l'automne une moisson de roses pour bouquets. Très florifères aussi, bien que moins que la précédent et peu connues Elise Heymann, Crimson Bedder, fleurissant beaucoup en automne, Kaiserin Friedrich et Boule de Neige, cette dernière est une belle rose blanche, est peut-être la plus florifère de toutes les blanches, pas la plus jolie sans doute, mais elle donne des fleurs jusqu'à la saison avancée d'automne presque en hiver, elle est précieuse à cause de cela pour faire des couronnes pour les cimetières.
Francis Dubreuil, sold by Dubreuil in 1895, is probably the darkest of tea roses. It has strong growth, solid stems and a fall flush for bouquets. Very floriferous also,but not as much as the former and not so well known are Elise Heymann, Crimson Bedder, flowering a lot in fall, Kaiserin Friedrich and Boule de Neige, the latter is white rose and is probably the most floriferous of all white roses; not the most beautiful, but it flowers until late into fall, almost in winter; it is a invaluable for this reason, in order to make wreaths for cemeteries.
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Journal des Roses - September 1903
Page 140
Article: Les bonnes Roses à cultiver dans l'Ouest de la France
Good rose to grow in Western France.
This is more or less a list of roses.
Francis Dubreuil is recommended. It is now categorized under ROSIERS THÉ, VARIÉTÉS PLUS ANCIENNES (tea roses, older varieties).
No mention of Irène Watts in the Bengal section. Her parent Mme Laurette Messimy however is present. Souvenir de Thérèse Levet is not in this list either.
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Interesting that Mr. Pemberton, who said "Nearly as big as a hybrid perpetual", went on to breed smaller flowered roses. I think he would have hated it.
I think those two words "solid stems" is very helpful. Get just one more reference who says something like that and it is an important clue.
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That is if the Pemberton in the article, is the same as the Reverend!
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It is feasible. The page on the Rev. J. H. Pemberton tells us he was born in 1854. His father had died in 1875. By 1896 He was growing 40,000 roses and that was two years before the 1898 article. Ten years after the article his book was published in 1908
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Not sure if this would help for the references:
Journal des roses September 1906
Page 137
Article: À L'EXPOSITION D'HORTICULTURE DE LYON
At the horticultural exhibition of Lyon
The gist of the article focuses on the very hot & dry summer of 1906, where only 3 rosarians participated and no new roses were introduced due to the weather. The author focuses on the bright side and lists the roses presented, which obviously shrugged off the drought and heat. Francis Dubreuil & Irène Watts are on the list of the roses presented. If you're interested I can send you the complete list of roses and the article....
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Another one same as above.
Journal des roses – December 1906
Page 183
Articles : CONGRES DES ROSIÉRISTES 1906 (SUITE)
Rose congress 1906
Elegant roses, convenient for sprays, easy cultivation in the city of Rennes & vicinity.
By Mr. Rippert
(Rennes is in France, the capital of Brittany, zone 9 equivalent)
Francis Dubreuil is on the list. The color is noted as crimson.
Note: no Souvenir de Thérèse Levet / No Irène Watts.
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#10 of 12 posted
22 MAY 15 by
true-blue
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Patricia found the article about rigid stems, you were looking for:
Journal des roses – Janvier 1910 page 10 by the same Mr Rippert as the last article I posted.
CONGRES DES ROSIERISTES A NANTES
(SUITE) (1)• This is a the continuation of an article from 1909 (Voir Journal des Roses 1909, pages 135, 183 et 184.)
QUESTIONS TRAITEES
Choix des Roses à tiges rigides pouvant convenir à faire des gerbes
et des bouquets.
Rose grower congress at Nantes
– Issues addressed
A selection of roses with stiff stems convenient for sprays and bouquets.
Francis Dubreuil is listed. No mention of SdTL, IW, Gruss and Princess Sagan.
Here is the list.
Classes are in red.
there is an arrow for Francis Dubreuil
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Thanks true-blue, I've added the January 1910 reference.
Would you do a new comment per reference when you find them please. Otherwise the volunteer administrator has to re-read the lot every time. That sounds petty, but I am trying to cram things in and I know you will understand.
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#12 of 12 posted
23 MAY 15 by
true-blue
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Sure, thank you for telling me.
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