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"Katie Pianto's Rose" Reviews & Comments
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24 DEC 15 by
Damo
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I have been trying to identify a rose that might just be "Katie Pianto's Rose". My plant grows where a hedge of mixed hybrid musk roses once grew (the last was removed many years ago).
If the rose I have here is in fact "Katie Pianto's Rose" it got here by being used as a rootstock by some nursery (my guess is from Hedgerow Rose Nursery back when they were at Tumbarumba, NSW). The plant appeared after the grafted HM's were taken out.
The plant grows in full-sun & is rarely watered. After a spectacular flush of blooms we see no more blooms in our short growing season!
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Approximately when - or even what decade - were the plants removed Damo?
I have Hedgerow catalogues for 1999, 2002, 2004, 2009 and 2010.
I have just had a quick look through the 1999 cat and they were stocking 'Ringlet'.
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#2 of 12 posted
24 DEC 15 by
Damo
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I have 'Ringlet' (not for much longer though) & it is definitely not the same as this rose (blooms, foliage & growth habit are very different) & unfortunately I'm not 100% certain this plant has originated from Hedgerow. Wherever it is from & whatever it is, it has been in the yard since c. 2005 - not earlier than 2003 - & has the potential to become massive like the plants on HMF.
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It is of interest that Alister Clark in the 1938 reference for 'Ringlet' said ....'Ringlet' should be grown, as it is most distinct and free, and should surely make a stock for nurserymen to work on.
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#4 of 12 posted
24 DEC 15 by
Damo
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IMHO that would be the best use for 'Ringlet'. ;-) LOL Although having said that, my plant of 'Ringlet' had strange blooms this Spring that took on a very "hand-painted" look that I have not seen it display before! (see below).
The rose in my photos above is far more garden worthy!
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The 1936 and 2003 references for 'Ringlet' both mention this flecking.
If you get a quiet moment over Christmas, can you (or another grower??) be more specific on exactly how 'Ringlet' and "Katie Pianto's Rose" differ.
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#6 of 12 posted
24 DEC 15 by
Damo
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So you think my rose is "Katie Pianto's Rose"?
Oh & as for the flecking on 'Ringlet' that is very interesting. I had never seen it in the 5 years I've grown it!
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Yes, I think it is, Damo. But keep in mind "Katie Pianto's Rose" is a foundling name and we are still searching for its real name.
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#8 of 12 posted
25 DEC 15 by
Damo
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Excellent! Thanks Patricia. I hope someday the true identity comes to light as I am using this rose in crosses now & in the future!
I'll get back soon with 'Ringlet' vs "Katie Pianto's Rose" details! :-)
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From the photos, Ringlet's foliage is different enough to exclude it. However, I have seen neither in person.
But, also from the photos, this "Katie Pianto's Rose" appears to be influenced by tea, multiflora, and china. If I had to estimate, of course.
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Thanks Michael. It is good to have others' opinions. I had made a note that it might not have any multiflora in it because of the glandular, not hairy stipules. But I will double check this point on my plants later in the day.
If Girija is watching, it would be great to have her thoughts on this rose, particularly in relation to the 1980 reference (.... an Indian species rose which has long pointed buds, single pink blooms and lovely light green glossy foliage.)
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I'm not sure that applies to complex hybrids, if that is what it is. Dortmund is derived from Rugosa, Wichurana, and some moderns stemming from multiflora types. Some seedlings are completely glandular. As in, the bristles even give off that cinnamon smell. Others are like Dortmund, and few rare ones are mostly smooth.
In the case of this rose, I am unsure. Like I said, I have not witnessed it in person.
Were there popular Mutliflora/Wichurana types popularizes in AUS way back when?
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#12 of 12 posted
2 OCT 17 by
Damo
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Just a bit of an update on this rose.
For the first time last season I saw a second (much lighter) flush of blooms on my plant & hips formed. I collected the hips & now have about 10 - still very young but strong - seedlings from it so they might give us clues as to what is behind it...or maybe not!
I noticed too that someone down the road from us grows this rose over an arch at their front gate so it certainly gets around.
Up to now, I have had no success using "Katie Pianto's" rose in crosses but will keep trying in the future. In quite a few attempts hips have not set with foreign pollen & its pollen hasn't worked on other roses.
FWIW I believe this rose is a cross between R. canina & R. wichuraiana based on blooms & plant.
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