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This-one doesn't match Aloha either! Nor does it look like a climber either on this photo.
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Definitely not 'Aloha.'
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The current owners tell me their family have grown it since 1942. The flowers are 3-5cm in diameter. They don't think it's scented, which argues against Lady Gay as an ID.
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Some people can smell roses. Others (like me) can’t.
There are two ‘Lady Gay’ roses listed in HelpMeFind.
Lady Gay (hybrid wichurana, Walsh, 1903) (Rosa wichuraiana Crép. synonym × Bardou Job)
Lady Gay (hybrid multiflora, Geschwind, 1905) (seedling of Crimson Rambler × Unknown)
Walsh’s rose is likely to be fragrant, because ‘Bardou Job’ was fragrant.
Geschwind’s rose is likely to not be fragrant, because Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’ wasn’t.
Despite Geschwind’s rose being classified as multiflora, (as is ‘Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’)
if the pollen parent of Geschwind’s rose was R. wichurana, the resulting offspring might look a wich as does
‘Evangeline’ and ‘Excelsa’. I wish we knew more about Geschwind’s ‘Lady Gay’.
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Yes, it is true: we do not all detect fragrance in the same way. I can't detect China rose scent, but can detect the scent of most OGRs with a "damask" scent. I don't remember scent on 'Lady Gay', but it won't flower for another four months for me so can't check. I lost my own LG but know a big hedge of it an hour away. The Walsh roses that have scent that carries in the air are 'Evangeline' and 'Nokomis'.
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Margaret, I feel sure you have said somewhere (?private email) that “Loveday” is prickly.
Johno has sent me a 1969 Sedunarys Upper Murray Nursery catalogue. This nursery was at Loveday S.A. They listed ‘Pinkie Climbing’ which apparently is thornless.
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Yes wich-prickly: and once-flowering, so it's not Cl Pinkie.
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Does anyone know the parentage of 'Bella Nitida'? Or have any way to ask the breeder? It looks very similar to 'Métis', even though they were introduced 33 years apart.
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Even the foliage looks identical to 'Metis'. I was lucky enough to get several seedlings from 'Metis' that look quite similar. Maybe it is a 'Metis' seedling.
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Very possible! Thank you for your input.
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Would people who grow this rose, please look at "Loveday" to see if it matches. Lady Gay reached Australia but was not included in the 1996 Australian Rose Directory: presumably it was no longer in commerce then.
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I have seen the color change from pink to white on 'Lady Gay'. The pedicles look correct as well with just sprinkle of bristles. One characteristic for LG is a "halo" of lighter petals surrounding the darker ones as illustrated in a couple of my photos under that rose.
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Thank you. Some photos of "Loveday" show that feature, and I think the suggestion of Lady Gay (which came from Patricia) is a good one.
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