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Roses, Clematis and Peonies
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Margit Schowalter
most recent 1 MAR HIDE POSTS
Initial post 1 MAR by Michael Garhart
Where is the Université d'Orléans references? This Bugnet timeline is confusing to me :[
Reply #1 of 3 posted 1 MAR by Margit Schowalter
You are right. The reference to Universite d'Orleans seems to be out of context with this rose. I have a poor quality photo copy of Bugnet's breeding notes as well as a copy of Andre Imbeault's report on same. I'll double check but I am fairly certain there was no University d'Orleans involved in this cross.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 1 MAR by Patricia Routley
It has to be the rose just called 'Unversity'. Take a look at the file, and I'll change the parentage from Université d'Orléans to 'University'.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 1 MAR by Margit Schowalter
Yes, 'University' was a mixture of miscellaneous pollen, Bugnet collected from the grounds of the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Alberta
most recent 6 FEB HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 FEB by Paul G. Olsen
The Interactions of Various Rose Species
Percy H. Wright
American Rose Annual 1947

Harison's Hardy - Resulting from pollen of Harison's Yellow placed on pistils of Rosa spinosissima altaica. The flower is similar to Harison's Yellow in doubleness and size, averaging slightly larger; color a deep cream in the center of the flower and pale cream at the outside. Foliage intermediate. Plant more erect than the pollen parent. Much hardier than Harison's Yellow; hardy to -60 F. Fertile.
Reply #1 of 9 posted 4 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Hardy to -51 Celsius, really!?
Reply #2 of 9 posted 5 FEB by Margit Schowalter
Here is a report from the Regina-Leader Post.

"Prairie snow storm (1947)
On January 15, 1947, the front page of the Regina Leader-Post read: “Province Just One Big Snowdrift,” with a story that detailed continuous blizzards, buried trains, and even towns from Winnipeg to Calgary. The snow started in December and hardly ceased, with blizzards that kept hitting every couple of days. On February 3, Regina set a North American record when temperatures reached negative 60 degrees celsius. All highways in and out of the capital were blocked for 10 days, supplies in and out slowed, and people reportedly began travelling from their house to their shed via snow tunnel. Some rural roads and railways in Saskatchewan remained closed until spring."
Reply #3 of 9 posted 5 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Margit, that's very interesting. There are three winters in living memory that were particularly harsh in the U.K. In 1941 there was an ice storm that paralysed transport and bought telephone and power cables down. It was said that if Germany had chosen that moment to invade they could have marched in almost unchallenged so crippled was the infrastructure. In 1962 it started snowing on Boxing Day (24th December) and there was still snow around at Easter. It was cold enough for the sea to freeze on the coasts of Kent and Essex. But 1947 was the coldest. In February snow fell on 26 out of 28 days and a temperature of -21 Celsius was recorded, cold enough to kill off rambler roses in Scotland.
Reply #4 of 9 posted 5 FEB by Patricia Routley
Thanks Paul. Reference added.
Andrew the reference says -60 F. Fahrenheit?
Reply #5 of 9 posted 5 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Yes, I believe -60 Fahrenheit = -51 Celsius.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 5 FEB by Margit Schowalter
Thank you Andrew. Interesting that the extreme cold of the 1946-1947 winter was spread over so much of the northern hemisphere. And I was complaining when we had an overnight temperature dip of -41C last week!
Reply #7 of 9 posted 5 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
Usually whatever weather happens in North America we get in some form or another a few weeks later. The last bad winter we had here was 2010 when it was very cold at both the beginning and end of the year. So far in 2018 it has been mild all I could make was a Cornish snowman.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 5 FEB by Jay-Jay
I had to chuckle, because of Your Cornish "Mudman"
Reply #9 of 9 posted 6 FEB by Patricia Routley
Love it. Just love it. On ya Andrew! I'll grin all day over this.
most recent 2 NOV 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 OCT 17 by Byrnes, Robert L.
Translated from Swedish using Google Translator

Rosa glauca 'Nova' - Daggros 'Nova'

Plant Description by Elisabeth Öberg Published in Green Facts 7/2006, Plants for the Future VI. Movium / SLU. Available from Movium tel. 040-41 50 00.

The variety 'Nova' comes from Öjebyn's garden testing station in Piteå (then Agricultural College) and was found by researcher Gunny Larsson in a trial of park roses from 1956. Gunny thought it could be a hybrid between the Canadian The buscrown 'Prairie Dawn', which was part of the experiment, and Rosa glauca, dawn. The species is wildly growing in the Central European mountains and is particularly common in the Alps and Pyrenees.

The rest of the PDF can be seen here:
Reply #1 of 3 posted 27 OCT 17 by Puns 'n' Roses
I think the funny sentence translates to "Gunny thought it could be a hybrid between the Canadian shrub rose 'Prairie Dawn', which was part of the experiment, and Rosa glauca, the Red-Leafed Rose." Maybe HMF could add the synonym daggros to R. glauca?
Reply #2 of 3 posted 28 OCT 17 by jedmar
Thank you, we have completed the description based on your Information.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 2 NOV 17 by Margit Schowalter
It is interesting to learn of Canadian roses being tested in Sweden in the 50's. At that time, H.F. (Bert) Harp was in charge of rose breeding at the Morden Experimental Farm. His notes and records were lost when he retired in 1969. Thus, we have no record in Canada of a co-operative trial with Sweden. 'Prairie Dawn' was introduced in Canada in 1959.
Does anyone know if there is a record of the roses grown in the trial and if the trial gardens still exist?
most recent 25 SEP 17 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 25 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
A six month old seedling of Rosa arvensis, the tape measure is extended to 1 metre.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 25 SEP 17 by Margit Schowalter
Wow, that is one vigorous seedling! Thanks for posting.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 25 SEP 17 by Andrew from Dolton
It seeds itself all over the place, I wish my hybrid-teas and floribundas grew as rapidly as that!
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