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most recent 7 FEB SHOW ALL
Initial post 29 SEP 13 by Massad, Dominique
Parentage is : Sparkling ruffle x (Poustinia x (Abraham Darby x Roundelay))
Reply #1 of 6 posted 30 JUN 17 by Michael Garhart
Its a really cool looking rose!

HMF: Can we add the lineage, please?
Reply #2 of 6 posted 30 JUN 17 by Patricia Routley
Added. I just don't know how we missed that, Dominique.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 1 JUL 17 by Michael Garhart
Woohoo ^_^
Reply #4 of 6 posted 7 FEB by Rupert, Kim L.
Now, it needs to find a US or Canadian retailer who exports to the US! This is VERY interesting!
Reply #5 of 6 posted 7 FEB by Massad, Dominique
I would like to but it is difficult to find a dealer in the US and the complicated paperwork (especially the mandatory quarantine).
And yet roses do not suffer from COVID 19 !!!
Reply #6 of 6 posted 7 FEB by Rupert, Kim L.
Thank you, Dominique. I completely understand. It's particularly difficult finding a dealer when you wish to be paid for the rose. Most will, at least, consider looking at it if they don't think it will cost them anything. I find this one quite intriguing in breeding and look. Thank you, nicely done!
most recent 5 FEB SHOW ALL
Initial post 11 AUG 16 by Patricia Routley
There is confusion between MEIdiaphaz' and MEIcalanq. They may be the same rose. Does anybody know? See refs.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 11 JUN 18 by Michael Garhart
Nope! Do you?
Reply #2 of 6 posted 11 JUN 18 by Patricia Routley
Nope. But we have:

MEIdiaphaz 2005 (HelpMeFind file no 39751) with synonyms of:
Jeanne Moreau
National Pride
The Diamond Wedding Rose

MEIcalanq 2008 (HelpMeFind file 63496) with synonyms of
Pierre Arditi
Roger Whittaker
Vive La Mariee!
White Perfumella

This morning I noted in the Meilland site they are calling 'Jeanne Moreau' MEIcalanq.
I just need to double check with .....anybody.... before merging these two files.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 5 FEB by Peter Egeto
They are 2 different cultivars apparently. The house of Meilland is selling them also as 2 different varieties. (Would be a disgrace to Jeanne Moreau, one of the biggest French actresses to share the spot with anyone else :) )

Jeanne Moreau has a creamy-yellowy hue when opening, Pierre Arditi has a pink hue.

I've planted them both, i'll report on the differences later this season
Reply #4 of 6 posted 5 FEB by Alain Meilland
Meidiaphaz and Meicalanq are distinct varieties, both have been granted a EU PBR (European Plant Breeders Rights) which is not granted if cannot pass DUS (Distinctness, Uniformity and Stability).

"DUS testing is a way of determining whether a newly bred variety differs from existing varieties within the same species (the Distinctness part)"

Trademark might change due to geographical production and sales, but also to market.

Cut Flower market is completely different than Garden market :

- Garden market : Propagators -> Finishers -> Garden Center/Online sales -> Final users
- Cut Flower market : Growers -> Wholesellers -> Florist -> Final users

Please ask us directly when it concern our vaireties, we are please to answer when we can

Best Regards
Matthias Meilland
Reply #5 of 6 posted 5 FEB by Patricia Routley
Thank you Matthias. It must have been all the DUSt in my eyes.
I am sure your concern is for the market. HelpMeFind’s concern is to distinguish the roses.
Using your awards for the roses, I have adjusted the dates back to before any two year trials so that now
MEIdiaphaz is showing a bred date of before 2000
MEIcalanq is showing a bred date of before 2005

If you have different dates for these roses, we would be pleased to adjust them when we can.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 5 FEB by Alain Meilland
Hi Patricia,

About breeding date, we never disclose it. So I will not confirm or deny it ;)

But yes, Meidiaphaz was released before Meicalanq.

Don't hesitate if there is a question about our varieties !!

most recent 3 FEB SHOW ALL
Initial post 11 MAR 15 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Susceptible to Powdery Mildew, my garden, Rancho Mirage, CA 92270
Reply #1 of 18 posted 12 MAR 15 by HMF Admin
Good to know, thank you Robert.

Would that we could get more people to share their experience with specific roses.
Reply #2 of 18 posted 12 MAR 15 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Agreed. In this case I could have saved myself the time and expense of acquiring this variety. I have zero tolerance for Powdery Mildew. I'm surprised to find a variety this new to have problems, especially to this degree..
Reply #3 of 18 posted 8 SEP 15 by Michael Garhart
It seems common in this pedigree, stemming from its origin. They are even fuzzballs here in Oregon.

Falstaff was one of the exceptions, but it has the rebloom of tic tac...
Reply #4 of 18 posted 16 AUG 16 by ChrisBC
I love this rose, but I have it now in my second garden (first year), and in both places it has been susceptible to mildew. Other DAs in the same bed (Princess Alexandra of Kent, The Poet's Wife and Scepter'd Isle) are free of it. So it seems a true susceptibility of this particular rose.
Reply #5 of 18 posted 10 NOV 16 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
When it was a tiny 1st year own-root... it had mildew when I made the soil too acidic with gypsum. Then I replaced the soil with fresh top soil (alkaline black clay). No more mildew after soil replacement with higher pH and higher potassium clay.
Reply #6 of 18 posted 14 JAN 17 by Lavenderlace
This is super info to have on different varieties, thanks Straw!
Reply #7 of 18 posted 2 FEB by MiGreenThumb
This rose does NOT get powdery mildew in the Great Lakes (Michigan).
This rose does NOT get rust in the Great Lakes.
This rose DOES possess greater black spot resistance than the equivalent fragrant crimson hybrid tea.
The health of this rose is quite acceptable. Thank goodness CA is not the measure and dictator of all things rosey.
Reply #8 of 18 posted 2 FEB by veilchenblau
No powdery mildew for me with it in Tasmania, Australia. (zone 8b ish) Nor black spot. The only problem I've had is keeping the wallabies from munching on it.
Reply #9 of 18 posted 2 FEB by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Powdery Mildew can be an issue when humidity is low combined with warm days and cool nights, as we experience here in Spring and Fall.

If your climate doesn't experience these conditions, you're less likely to have an issue.

Of course, all climates have their challenges.
Reply #10 of 18 posted 2 FEB by veilchenblau
Hi, I wasn't disputing your experience at all, sorry if it came across like that. I was just adding mine on for those in my zone that may also read here. But I have no doubt what you are saying it true for your neck of the woods.
Reply #11 of 18 posted 3 FEB by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Veilchenblau, no offense taken, and thank you for your kind reply.

I took the chance to explain to others why their experience might differ.

Yes, your climate there is quite different from what I've heard.

I was communicating for some time with Simon Voorwinde a number of years ago. He did some nice work with roses. I understand he's doing some beautiful work now with bearded Irises.

I miss Lilia Weatherly! She was a dear person and so generous with her time and wisdom.

Best wishes, Robert
Reply #12 of 18 posted 3 FEB by veilchenblau
I think Simon V is in the North West of the state - very different from where I am. The North West is very green, high annual rainfall, fertile soil. I'm in the southern midlands. Hotter, drier, sandy soil and it seems to rain less every year now...
Lilia Weatherly lived not far from here, about half an hour away. I never met her unfortunately, she passed away before I moved here. I go to the same nursery she used to frequent and they all miss her very much as from all accounts she was a total sweet heart!
I have her Freycinet rose in amongst a row of Roseraie de l'hay. It does very well in our sandy soil and I like it very much. I also just like growing something in my garden created by a local person, who from all accounts was a good soul.
Reply #13 of 18 posted 3 FEB by Give me caffeine
I have thought of trying Freycinet. It sounds like a good one, and I don't have any rugosas yet. No sandy soil around here though. It would have to deal with a certain amount of clay.
Reply #16 of 18 posted 3 FEB by veilchenblau
I think rugosas are pretty tough and will tolerate most soil types. At my last house, the soil was more clay. I did have a lot of rugosas, but not Freycinet, sorry. But the ones that did the best in the heavier soil there were Agnes (did amazingly), Mrs Anthony Waterer and Roseraie.
Reply #14 of 18 posted 3 FEB by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It's wonderful that Lilia's work lives on.

I just looked it up and the last time I communicated with her was 2006. She really was a special person. I'm fortunate to have had the opportunity to make her acquaintance when I did. Tasmania certainly produces some keen rosarians!
Reply #15 of 18 posted 3 FEB by veilchenblau
Have you tried "Tradescant"? out of curiosity. I'm thinking of trying it. It's an older Austin red that is said to be heat tolerant and more vigorous and not as prone to disease as The Squire (which I did have and I did have lots of problems with it. Pretty though)
Reply #17 of 18 posted 3 FEB by Robert Neil Rippetoe
'Tradescant' is gorgeous and fragrant, but in my climate it wants to get BIG. It grows here more like a climber, rather awkward and stiff. I'm sure if it were placed correctly it could be very pleasing.

The individual blossoms are stunning.I wish it repeated a bit more.

Munstead repeated better for me and was more restrained in habit.

In your cooler climate Tradescant might be a winner. Oh, and it didn't mildew for me! ;-)
Reply #18 of 18 posted 3 FEB by veilchenblau
Thanks so much for that. It's good to hear from someone that has grown it. I will give Tradescant a go, but will plant it in a spot where it can "reach for the sky" if it wants. As Austins can get enormous here as well. Cheers.
most recent 5 JAN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 5 JAN by Michael Garhart
Im guessing its the JP Gold Rush in the lineage.
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