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Michael Garhart
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Initial post yesterday by Kathy Strong
Don’t waste your hard earned money here, folks. This expensive to acquire, much hyped Piano is actually not worth a piss in a pot. 2 inch blooms, no fragrance, yada,yada, I could go on. And do not ever pay $50 for it, like I did. There are many many better reds with this English rose form. See, e.g. Out of Rosenheim or Bordeaux Citiscape or Francois Rabelais or Janice Kellogg among others.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted yesterday by Robert Neil Rippetoe
This is possibly my favorite review ever! ;-)
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Reply #2 of 2 posted yesterday by Michael Garhart
AHAHAHAHA Get'em Kathy.
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Initial post 19 JUN 22 by Patricia Routley
I believe NOA16079 should be merged with NOA16071 Showpiece Lipstick.
The New Zealand Plant Variety Rights grant number 34868 says a commercial synonym for NOA16079 is Showpiece Lipstick.
Double checking before a merge.
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 19 JUN 22 by jedmar
Noa16071 and Noa16079 are distinct varietal names, and should not be merged. The only reason can be that Noack introduced a different rose as 'Showpiece Lipstick' in NZ, or that the synonym 'Showpiece Lipstick' is incorrect for Noa16071. The latter needs checking.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 19 JUN 22 by Patricia Routley
Perhaps member Plazbo can help further, see his comment in 'NOA1112130‘
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 19 JUN 22 by Plazbo
Australia PBR has NOA16079 as Showpiece Lipstick

pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/pbr_db/plant_detail.cfm?AID=39362379

noack has Noa16071 as Charisma
noack-rosen.de/produkt/charisma/

if we go to the tesselaar marketing photos for the showpiece line

www.flickr.com/photos/tesselaar/albums/72157718483636093

specifically
www.flickr.com/photos/tesselaar/50993818772/in/album-72157718483636093/

and do a reverse image search

tinyurl.com/yckbnjre

we find that same image being used in europe for Crazy Pink Voluptia eg
www.roseraiebarth.com/fr/rosiers-a-grandes-fleurs/rosier-crazy-pink-voluptia-noa16071.html

different picture showpiece lipstick picture (from the tessellar link above) on the german adr website
www.adr-rose.de/adr-rosen/rose/charismar/


So either someone sent out Noa16071 photos for NOA16079 or NOA16079 is a typo or something. For whatever reason, the marketing photos are the same for both if they aren't the same rose.
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 19 JUN 22 by Plazbo
Having said that (and because I don't want to edit the previous comment and get escaped html characters, so new comment)


The photo in the Australian PBR for NOA16079 (despite being listed as showpiece lipstick) doesn't look like the pictures on the tessellar site (or what people have posted as showpiece lipstick in australia rose facebook groups)...which is weird in itself. Maybe, Flower Carpet Pty Ltd (as the agent) did a goof and no ones noticed? The pbr photo looks more like showpiece blush, looking at the usa patent picture for showpiece blush show the darker petal base that's obvious on the australia pbr photo

www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.319066

the photo for blush on the australia pbr doesn't look like blush (pigment is too deep)....
pericles.ipaustralia.gov.au/pbr_db/plant_detail.cfm?AID=39362376

something goofy going on
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 19 JUN 22 by jedmar
What is clear is that if there are two different varietal names, these are distinct roses: So Noa16071 is not Noa16079, even though they may be similar or sister seedlings (very close numbers).
Noa16071 is clearly Charisma, syn. Crazy Pink Voluptia.
According to the Australian PBR Noa16079 is Showpiece Lipstick.
Photo confusion on nursery websites are not proof enough.
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 19 JUN 22 by Plazbo
Even in the USA patent for NOA16079 uses the same images as is used for Charisma (NOA16071)....interesting paperwork either way since either the USA patent is using images for the wrong rose or the pictures used for Charisma (for german adr and such) aren't pictures of Charisma.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted yesterday by Michael Garhart
Honestly wouldn't be the first time. Poulsen made some booboos in the 1990s.

They clear because there are so few patent examiners for plants, and roses are considered niche.
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Initial post yesterday by Michael Garhart
I've been growing this for for 6 months from an already growing plant.

So far, I would consider this a larger flowered floribunda. However, it is quite healthy. All foliage is intact. It is probably a decent "HT-like" rose for huge pots, which might be a draw for some.
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Michael, have you grown this rose? It is a beauty here for me. Wondering about its disease resistance in your area.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Michael Garhart
No idea why HMF doesnt tell me comments like this come up. Sorry for the delay.

No, I rejected to grow it based on its lineage. All 3 roses are major BS magnets here, although Daybreaker is a real do'er. It may be better suited to your climate.

Stainless Steel, in particular, is a nightmare here. Although I love the blooms.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Lee H.
Michael, you might click on your account button, and make sure the email address is correct, and under “preferences”, that the message post notification is ON.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Michael Garhart
Weird, it was turned off. Ive had it on and same issue though. We'll see if it works again.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 2 days ago by Kathy Strong
I sent you a private message in July 8 re one of your comments. Did you get it?
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Reply #5 of 5 posted yesterday by Michael Garhart
Did now!
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