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I would suggest this rose is the best fragrant red Hybrid Tea to come along in a very long time. The combination of vigor, floriferousness, health, and intense fragrance are rare, especially in a large red hybrid tea. I've been growing 6 of these for about 7 years and every year it amazes me with its abundant bloom. Repeat is amazingly quick. Grow over 2600 roses and this, by far, is my favorite red hybrid tea. Highly recommend.
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I'd grow this one but one report says it's more prone to PM than Mr. Lincoln. That I don't need.
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Even if one compared the ins and outs of Firefighter and Mr. Lincoln, Firefighter wins alone on plant habit. Mr. Lincoln is one of those older HT's with a really nasty, rangey habit where stems go for miles and the bottom and middle of the plant are bare. Firefighter is more compact, has a better branching habit and has appropriately-sized stems. Also, the leaf size and spacing between the leaves is more appropriate on Firefighter. Overall, the plant itself looks more aesthetic in a garden.
However, in my experience, the scent of both have similar strength but different flavor. Disease resistance was about normal for an HT for Firefighter. Both roses HATE intense heat. Most fragrant reds in most classes have always seemed to hate heat and become sensitive to intense UV days. I think that is one of the draws to extremely double fragrant reds -- their doubleness covers for this negative trait. Both roses seem to be about average in hardiness for their class.
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Agree with what Michael wrote: " Both roses HATE intense heat. Most fragrant reds in most classes have always seemed to hate heat and become sensitive to intense UV days." My last Firefighter was in full-sun, and the petal-counts was reduced in the heat over 90 F. After a few years, it died in that full-sun spot, due to a dry & warm spring, with no winter snow. When I dug the root up, it was completely dried out. As French roses, Firefighter's own-root is shallow, and need to be mulched heavily.
This year I bought Firefighter as own-root again, this time I'll put it in partial shade, plus heavy mulch, since I had seen how shallow the root of Firefighter, it never go past 1 foot deep like own-root Austin roses.
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#3 of 5 posted
16 APR 11 by
Hardy
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In the San Jose area, where almost everything with China ancestry gets PM, my unsprayed Firefighter is perfectly clean, even though it gets no sun until about 1 PM. It's 3 feet away from my designated Plague Rose, which has severe BS and PM problems, so it's very definitely been exposed! I don't know where Firefighter was said to have PM problems, but I'd keep an open mind (or personally investigate) until we have more studies to go on.
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Zero mildew on my Firefighter as own-root, despite growing next to a large spruce .. but it died after 3 years thanks to a DRY spring. When I dug that up, roots were completely dry-out (the tree's root was invading that hole). Bought Firefighter again as own-root & plant in a wetter spot.
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Wasn't all the great for me in the Palm Springs area either.
It was ok, but nothing to rave about.
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Belinda's Dream grows very nicely in San Francisco -- vigorous without elbowing her way into more space than she's been allotted. My only complaint is that flowers can be very slow to open -- never balling, but flirting with it on occasion. Also, the thrips seem to find BD particularly appealing. Can't say I blame them. All those petals must make for some happy snacking.
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I have to agree. I am in zone 6 also and this last winter 'Belinda's Dream' died back to the ground while all her neighbors, among them 'Alfred Colomb', 'Zigeunerblut', 'The Fairy' and 'Marie Pavie', did fine with no die back.
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#4 of 5 posted
20 APR 17 by
Jerilin
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Belinda's Dream doing very poorly as own root bush here as well in zone 4b/5a. Has about an inch of surviving cane after a relatively mild winter. Would only recommend for zones 7 and up based on comments here and my experience.
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#5 of 5 posted
20 APR 17 by
 jedmar
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We changed the hardiness to Zone 7 plus. Thank you.
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Agree with Jerilin, a friend in my zone 5a also reported Belinda Dream dying to the crown after winter. Will put more comments in HMF regarding zone 5a survival for both grafted on Dr.Huey ($5 to $20 each) and own-root roses ($20 to $40 each).
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Dear Michael
Could you please tell me the name of the mouve rose I can see in your photo of Chihuly.
Also, how many bushes of Chihuly are you growing in this photo? The display is wonderful.
Cheers Alana
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Thanks Alana,
The mauve rose is Blueberry Hill, and there's another orange rose in the upper right corner called Marmalade Skies. There's only one plant of Chihuly
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2nd year plant......magnificent rose! Not sure why this is not more well known. Very vigorous from a cutting, flowering constantly and the flowers are old fashioned and fragrant. First year the canes did not support the large flowers, but this year much better. I'm guessing next year will even be better. This rose is a flowering fool.
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#1 of 3 posted
27 MAY 10 by
Cass
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How's the disease resistance and balling in the rain?
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I've not experienced any balling, and I spray so cannot comment on ability to resist disease.
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#3 of 3 posted
6 NOV 11 by
Jana
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Seemed to be quite blackspot suceptible in my conditions (zone 6a), but there only really healthy roses can stay (big pressure of this disease), if not sprayed.
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