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Cà Berta
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Initial post 5 days ago by Cà Berta
Massimiliano Lodi was born on 14 september 1863 and died on 9 november 1930.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 4 days ago by Patricia Routley
Thank you Bruna. Dates added.
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Initial post 3 APR by Cà Berta
Rose Listing Omission

Rosalba

Catalogo Fratelli ingegnoli 1935 page 71
Rosai creazione Ingegnoli a cespuglio. Rosalba (Ibrido di Thea). Novità 1935. Nostra varietà inedita di vegetazione vigorosa a fiori poratati da lunghi steli pieni di colore rosa carneo con riflessi giallo cadmio. Magnifica per gruppi e per recidere.

PS A description of this rose (Catalogo Fratelli Ingegnoli 1943) is thus wrongly listed in the references of Rosalba by Borgatti. The colour of the two roses differs very much.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 3 APR by Patricia Routley
I am not so sure they are two different roses Bruna. We have
1934 ‘Rosalba’ Borgatti - lilac pink with salmon pink center
1935 ‘Rosalba’ Ingegnoli. - fleshy pink with cadmium yellow reflections

What do you think? I do see the “creation of Ingegnoli” but is it possible he was distributing Borgatti’s Rose?
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 4 APR by Cà Berta
The idea that they were two different roses is related to the colours that, to me, "looked" rather different but colour is not my "field". If I exclude the "colour problem" I agree that Ingegnoli might have commercialized Borgatti's roses. This hypothesis is supported also by the fact that in the 1943 Ingegnoli catalogue is listed also Libia, a Borgatti rose. On the other hand Borgatti in 1933 had a his own catalogue where, however, no roses of his was listed ... The hypothesis of a collaboartion of Borgatti with Ingegnoli would explain also another intersting datum. In my long conversation with Lodi's relatives they told me that he was awarded a price by the Munucipality of Bologna for having bred the darkest rose ever bred. This rose was not repeting and for this reason Bonfiglioli & son did not commercialized it. At that time thus Borgatti was taking care of Lodi's roses (he sent them to Sangerhausen). Interestingly in Ingegnoli's catalogue is listed a Fiamma nera that is stated as the darkest rose ever bred ... Is it the Lodi's rose handed to Ingegnoli by Borgatti?
To conclude: if you think that the colours of the two Rosalba are equivalent .. other data fit for their being the same rose!!
Thank you for pointing it.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 5 APR by Patricia Routley
Thanks Bruna. We will lose all this good information in Website Omissions, and so I have added an addendum to the 1943 reference for Borgatti’s ‘Rosealba’.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 5 APR by Cà Berta
Very well. I added the reference in Catalogo Fratelli Ingegnoli 1935 to the references of Rosalba by Borgatti
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Initial post 3 APR by Cà Berta
According to the 1935 catalogue of Ingegnoli bros. it was introduced in 1932
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 APR by Patricia Routley
Thanks.
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Initial post 3 APR by Cà Berta
According to Catalogo Fratelli Ingegnoli 1935 this rose was introduced in 1932
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 APR by Patricia Routley
Thank you again Bruna
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