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Initial post 7 NOV 16 by Patricia Routley
In 1971 Norman Young hypothesized that ‘Variegata di Bologna’ was a sport of ‘Victor Emmanuel’ which was long popular in Italy. This guess was often repeated in the literature.
HelpMeFind member Ca Berta found the important 1909 reference which gave ‘Variegata di Bologna’s pollen parent as ‘Pride of Reigate. I am wondering if the rose on the left of this photo is not ‘Victor Emmanuel’, but either ‘Comtesse d’Oxford or its sport ‘Pride of Reigate’. Does David Ruston’s planting records book give the provenance of the rose on the left.

We have a chronological descendancy of
1859 Victor Verdier
1869 Comtesse d’Oxford HP. (seedling of Victor Verdier)
1880s Pride of Reigate (sport of Comtesse d’Oxford)
1909 Variegata di Bologna (seedling x Pride of Reigate)
1980 Purpurea di Bologna (sport of Variegata di Bologna. Or a reversion back to Pride of Reigate or Comtesse d’Oxford?)
Reply #1 of 2 posted 31 DEC 17 by Cà Berta
I do not know if it may help .. in the 1908 catalogue of Gaetano Bonfiglioli e figlio are listed both Comtesse of Oxford and Pride of Reigate but not Victor Emmanuel. Mr. Lodi, thus, had surely avaiilable Pride of Reigate for his hybridizations .. no prove he had Victor Emmanuel at hand.
Reply #2 of 2 posted 7 OCT by odinthor
Thanks, this is a very valuable comment!
most recent 13 AUG HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 AUG by Cà Berta
If you search Damaris you get only the Jan Spek Nurseries' one, not the rose bred by Dalla Libera
Reply #1 of 1 posted 13 AUG by jedmar
I get both, please try again
most recent 6 AUG HIDE POSTS
Initial post 4 AUG by Cà Berta
The Dingee &Conard Co Catalogue 1899
Page 24 photo page 23

New italian hybrid tea rose

Princess of Naples.

A Seedling of La France crossed with Captain Christy.
This magnificent new Rose was originated and sent to us by our Italian representative, C. Sprenger, Naples, who named it, by special permission, in honor of the Princess of Naples. Mr. Sprenger’s introductions have always possessed pronounced merit, one of his greatest introductions being. Asparagus Sprengeri, which has become famous the world over as one of the grandest of all decorative plants. We can give no better description than to quote from Mr. Sprenger’s letter wherein he says: ‘‘I had the opportunity of seeing all the best and newest Roses this year (1897) at the Lyons (France) Exhibition, but none can compare with mine. “IT IS FAR SUPERIOR TO LA FRANCE AND CAPTAIN CHRISTY, and ranges between the two. ‘““You know me well enough to know that I would not recommend it if it were not really a novelty of highest qualifications. I can supply 200 plants at the price of 1600 shillings (about $400).”’ We were so impressed with Mr. Sprenger’s enthusiastic indorsement that we bought his entire stock, since which time we have had ample time to test it. It is all that was originally claimed for it, and to us has proven itself to be a magnificent free-blooming hardy Hybrid Tea Rose. The flower is very large, double and deep; cup shaped, built tile style, one petal closely overlapping the other, centre like a rosette ; deliciously fragrant. The color is an indescribable satiny pink, shaded silvery Rose—one of the warmest, deepest, richest pinks we have ever seen. The flowers are borne with the freedom of a Tea Rose, on long stiff stems. The foliage is magnificent—large, deep green and of excellent substance. This is a Rose that any one may well be proud to have the honor of introducing. We offer it in one size only. Be sure to get the genuine Princess of Naples. Another variety introduced in Germany last year bears the same name, but is a different Rose. It will be found offered (as No. 54) in this book among the new Roses, page 16. Strong young plants, $1 each, postpaid by Mail.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 5 AUG by jedmar
What is your opinion about the statement that this rose was originated by C. Sprenger?
Reply #2 of 3 posted 5 AUG by Cà Berta
The story of Principessa di Napoli hybridized by Lodi, presented by Bonfiglioli at Esposizione Nazionale di Belle Arti e Orticultura. Firenze 1896-1987 where it got a gold medal (see refrence Catalogo Ufficiale dell’Esposizione Nazionale di Belle Arti e Orticultura. Firenze 1896-1987) is clearly described by C. Springer himself in his article in the magazine Die Gartenwelt in 1898 (see reference). The way Dingeee & Conard describe Sprenger's involvement is probably their interpretation of a story that, probably, Sprenger had not considered it necessary to tell when he proposed the deal.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 6 AUG by jedmar
Thank you, we will leave the breeder as is.
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