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Peter Harris
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There is a reference to Isabella Skinner in American Rose Annual (1964) 165-166, which can be found at the following URL;
http://www.bulbnrose.org/Roses/breeding/Skinner/skinner_bit.html
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The present URL for this article is http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Roses/breeding/Skinner/skinner_bit.html
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18 JUN 20 by
jedmar
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From letter of Robert Simonet to Percy Wright October 14/1965
"Earlier this year I wrote you of 2 yellow roses from the cross of Joanna Hill x Altaica to pollen of Hazeldean, which has fairly yellow flowers when they first open but which fade rather fast. Their bud form and petal texture are better than Hazeldean. One of them blooms only in June-July, but the other has flowers in September, much as Altai itself often does. So far, both have had fewer blooms than Hazeldean does for a bush of the same size, but they may improve in this feature in their second year of blooming."
The 'Joanna Hill' x Rosa altaica selection was eventually named 'Dr. F. L. Skinner'.
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Thanks Paul. I have changed the parentage of 'Dr. F. L Skinner' from Joanna Hill x R. Spinosissima var. Altaica (Willd) Rehder to (Joanna Hill x Altaica) x Hazeldean.
It appears that the other yellow mentioned was 'Jean' and I have changed the date of that from <1986 to 1964.
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Simonet writes of two yellow roses from the cross of (Joanna Hill x Altaica) x Haxeldean. However, the cross of (Joanna Hill x Altaica) itself used as a seed parent in the previously mentioned cross with Hazeldean, did not have Hazeldean in its ancestry. (Joanna Hill x Altaica) itself was later named Dr. F. L. Skinner
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I note you have changed the parentage. Many thanks Peter. Have I got this straight now: 1964. Dr. F. L. Skinner (Joanna Hill x Altaica) 1965 Jean syn Jaidean. (Joanna Hill x Altaica) x Hazeldean. Repeats somewhat. 1965 No known name as yet (Joanna Hill x Altaica) x Hazeldean). No repeat.
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I believe that is correct, Patricia. That is what Simonet's letter indicates.
I think we have to go with what Simonet says.
The color of 'Dr. F. L. Skinner' is surely within the range of likely colors from 'Joanna Hill'.
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The parentage given in PP 17,391 is correct, and it has been reinstated as of 19 Nov 2018. Spotless Gold is in the parentage of RADbrite through RADtee.
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So what do we do about RADspot?
Otherwise we have 'Inception' level genetics, and I really don't want to see that movie again o_o
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That does not look like Chicago Peace at all. Maybe mislabeled plant? Or maybe your plant sported itself back to regular Peace?
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Might have sported back to the regular Peace. Colors are not right for Chicago Peace.
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