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most recent 6 days ago HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 7 days ago by Darrell
Why are Roselover's two photos contained under 'Talisman'?
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 7 days ago by Patricia Routley
I believe when she uploaded the photos in November 2014, she was under the impression they were ‘Sutter’s Gold’.
Later her comment on April 1, 2015 says ‘Talisman’, so it seems as though her photos were moved from wherever they originally were, to Talisman. (take a look at the comments attached to her photo with her grandson). Ideally she needs to correct the caption containing the ‘Sutter’s Gold’ words.
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 6 days ago by roselover
When I posted the two photos of what I thought was Talisman in 2014, I had no idea this Rose was Sutter’s Gold. I even bought a talisman and planted it in my garden. But when it bloomed, it was not the rose two blocks away. I have a Sutter’s Gold plant, it has been a favorite of mine for over 25 years. This past year, I sent photos of this very large rose to a friend who is a well known Rosarians and can identify most roses. Right off the bat, he said Sutter’s Gold. By then, I was thinking the same from the fragrance and how it bloomed. It is the first rose to bloom in my garden and this year I had 4 bloom cycles. I then changed what I wrote about Talisman.
Joan Goff
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 6 days ago by Darrell
Hello Joan,
From the photos it was obvious the rose is not Talisman, not only in color but in size. Talisman grows at most three and a half feet high. Thanks for the correction.
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most recent 1 DEC HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 29 NOV by Darrell
The picture posted by Billy Teabag of 'May Wettern' does not look like any of Will's Cigarette cards. It does, however, look exactly like the photo (as David Elliott indicates) in my 1929 Rose Annual.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 30 NOV by Patricia Routley
How interesting. Billy’s illustration has “Will’s Cigarettes” printed at the top and Billy has commented before that she has noted the cards were mostly true to the actual roses. I can only suggest that they took the 1929 illustration and doctored it up to include the bud, and the third leaf on the right for their 1936 card. There is also the orange pink staining at top top right, which when I enlarge it, seems to be hiding some writing/printing.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 DEC by Darrell
Hm-m-m. You're right. I wonder if that would be considered a kind of plagiarism. Not that it matters, and any copyright has no doubt long expired anyway.
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most recent 27 NOV HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 26 NOV by Darrell
You list no nursery for this rose, but according to Combined Rose List 2018, 'Pasadena Tournament' is sold by Burlington Rose Nursery in Visalia, CA.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 NOV by Patricia Routley
Thanks Darrell. I have added them to the list of nurseries that stock this rose. Actually the file for Burlington Rose Nursery was showing it was last updated in 2009. (Now updated as of today’s date after my addition). Surely Burling updates it on a regular basis? All nurseries should of course. Unfortunately it is a task that is well beyond the scope of the HelpMeFind volunteers.
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most recent 16 NOV SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 7 JAN 16 by AquaEyes
I don't grow either, but I'm noticing some similarities between this rose and the rose currently being grown as 'Rembrandt' (not the original). Has anyone else made the comparisons?

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.5182.0&tab=1

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #1 of 8 posted 13 NOV by Patricia Routley
Excellent suggestion Christopher. I will check my pedicel and receptacle today, but I am growing ‘Rembrandt’ in a different country.
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Reply #2 of 8 posted 14 NOV by Patricia Routley
‘Rembrandt’ would work as far as the pedicel and smooth receptacle goes, but on this characteristic alone, so would ‘Paul Perras’ and another foundling of mine “Eileen Giblett’s No. 15” in the same bed.
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Reply #3 of 8 posted 14 NOV by AquaEyes
Ah, but 'Plaul Perras' (aka what's being sold as 'Paul Ricault') has a different growth habit, and is once-blooming.

I guess I'll compare them myself by getting both for The Elmwood Cemetery. I didn't have that option back when I wrote that question, but now I do.

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #4 of 8 posted 14 NOV by Andrew from Dolton
The rose being grown in the U.K. as 'Paul Ricault' has blunt smooth sepals.
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Reply #5 of 8 posted 14 NOV by Patricia Routley
I wasn't implying that "Benny Lopez" was 'Paul Perras', but rather ON THIS CHARACTERISTIC ALONE, two of my other roses were the same. So perhaps it may be a fairly common feature of some roses and perhaps one should look for another distinguishing trait or signature of "Benny Lopez".
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Reply #6 of 8 posted 15 NOV by AquaEyes
Just for clarification, pics I see on here for both "Benny Lopez" and 'Rembrandt (in commerce as)' show variability with respect to having smooth vs prickly receptacles and pedicels. Maybe what's grown as 'Rembrandt' in Australia differs from that by the name in the US. Or maybe these roses just vary. But, going back, I still see some similarities between "Benny Lopez" and 'Rembrandt (in commerce as)', at least based on pictures. I'm hoping someone who grows both chimes in with their thoughts.

:-)

~Christopher
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Reply #7 of 8 posted 15 NOV by Darrell
Though the coloring seems the same in the flower, my 'Rembrandt' is much more prickly and much taller than my "Benny Lopez"; they grow about ten feet from each other, so the comparison is easy to do. In addition, the leaflets of "Benny Lopez" are much more sharply serrate than those on 'Rembrandt'. They also have more sheen to them than those of 'Rembrandt.
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Reply #8 of 8 posted 16 NOV by AquaEyes
Thanks so much for responding here! Well, I guess my little wondering from almost three years ago has been finally answered.

:-)

~Christopher
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