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most recent 20 SEP 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 18 SEP 13 by kahlenberg
seedling of mme abel chatenay
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Reply #1 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by Jay-Jay
Looks great this Madame Abel Chatenay seedling, was this an open pollination?
Looks as if pollinated by an Austin.
I like the use of an early HT. Didn't know, that it still existed.
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Reply #2 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by kahlenberg
yes, it was an open pollination and you may be quite right about the austin - abraham darby and charles austin are growing close to mme abel chatenay.
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Reply #3 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by Jay-Jay
You might open a breeder listing at Your account, when You click on Breeders under People in the left column.
And register/upload this rose on HMF under Your breeder-name.
Does the plant behave well as for diseases and how is the scent?
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Reply #4 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by kahlenberg
it is doing quite well, despite it´s tender looks, as far as i can tell by now, for it is only in it´s second year. the plant itself grows a bit like a tea; it has good foliage, too, like it´s mother´s, but prone to mildew - no blackspot by now. the flowers aren´t as big as the pictures may implicate; they are about 6 cm in diameter. i myself cannot recognise any scent, but other people say there is some tea scent (i´m not very good at recognising tea-scent in general)
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Reply #5 of 7 posted 18 SEP 13 by Jay-Jay
Your seedling sounds promising and it survived its first years and winters.
Maybe once established the flowers might get bigger and mildew might get less a problem (..or, I hope not, worse).
How does Madame Abel Chatenay behave herself in the Austrian climate with the cold winters (You described at Abraham Darby)?
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Reply #6 of 7 posted 20 SEP 13 by kahlenberg
i must contess that i lost my first one in winter 2000, so i keep it in a pot indoors.
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Reply #7 of 7 posted 20 SEP 13 by Jay-Jay
Thank You, that's no option for me. But it is a very nice rose!
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most recent 10 OCT 12 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 23 AUG 08 by kahlenberg
my "queen" is a beauty, indeed, but she insists on blooming only once a year (june). has anybody any idea, what could be the matter?
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 23 AUG 08 by jedmar
It is not the real RdV - there are many impostors in commerce in german-speaking countries.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 24 AUG 08 by kahlenberg
yes, i really thought of that, too, although blooms and foliage look very much like it, as far as i can tell. i know, of cause the hmf-pictures and i have seen various exemplars in natura (baden bei wien, sangerhausen). maybe i have a sported one, for climbing sports often loose their ability to re-bloom and mine has a tendency to climb (2-meter shoots a year). climbing sports seem to be common for teas and hybrid-teas, but have hardly ever heard of a climbing hybrid-perpetual-sport.......
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 24 AUG 08 by jedmar
You will find more information on the various types of RdV in this link:

http://forum.garten-pur.de/Rosarium--23/Reine-des-Violettes-Vergleich--24364_0A.htm
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 24 AUG 08 by kahlenberg
thank you!
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 OCT 12 by Scottrose82
RDV is definitly a repeater. I feed all my old roses with a good granular food every 2 weeks. RDV loves lots of food!
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most recent 10 OCT 12 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 26 MAR 09 by Jeff Britt
I have to say I find it very ironic that Abraham Darby has the most votes here for disease resistance making it the highest rated rose in that category. It is a lovely rose if you're talking about the blossoms, but the plant is hardly cast iron. In my San Francisco garden it is susceptible to blackspot and mildew to some extent, and a positive martyr to rust. I have the plant in my garden -- don't get me wrong! I love the flowers: their gorgeous coppery pinks, the masses of petals and the delicious fragrance that melds sweet damask and fruit aromas. But the shrub is hardly perfect and it just seems silly it should be rated so highly here for its disease resistance.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 JUN 09 by Gagnon98
I concur with your assessement. I purchase AD last Spring 2008. It bloomed well during the summer but developed a terrific bout of blackspot in my CT garden. So badly that it was nearly completely defoliated. It tried to come back a bit when it cooled off. I can only imagine what it must look like with the blackspot kept at bay. Also, we had a fairly rough winter in 2008-09 and it did not come out of it very well. All growth died to the ground, I have a small bit of growth this season with one miserly bud developing at I write this. We'll have to see how well it grows this summer to see if it is worth saving. Also I could probably have planted this a bit deeper as the bud union is exposed at the soil surface.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 13 JAN 10 by kahlenberg
i have planted this rose as one of the first austins´s in my garden about five years ago and used to keep it rather short - almost like a hybrid tea, which was a big failure. since i train it as a pillar-rose, it happens to be much less prone to mildew and blakspot. furthermore i started to mulch the ground underneath, which is always helpful against fungial infections.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 13 JAN 10 by Gagnon98
Unfortunately my AD bit the dust last summer. Never grew. What little growth I got shriveled up and died. Tossed the plant in the woods. I am quite sure this Spring I will substitute it for a number of new roses that I'll order and plant!
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 JAN 10 by Jeff Britt
Believe me, if a plant is susceptible to rust, it will get rust in San Francisco. Alas, how you prune or mulch has little or no effect. Coastal California is rose rust country. Blackspot can be a problem, as can mildew, but these are generally trifling matters compared to rust. Roses like AD that are highly susceptible defoliate repeatedly over the growing season and can be so weakened they shrink over time.

I am going to try mancozeb this coming season on my most susceptible plants. I hope this experiment works, especially on AD.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 10 OCT 12 by mtspace
In his book "Thinking Fast and Slow," Nobel-winning author Daniel Kahneman explains the phenomenon - not using Abe Darby as an example, of course. It seems we have a mental habit of throwing things into bins like "good" and "bad." If we absolutely love Abraham Darby's blooms and the fragrance of the rose, we may judge it "good." And at that point, unless we are "thinking slow" we begin to exclude "bad" characteristics from our mental model of it: it's a "good" rose, for gosh sakes. Of course, a large portion of the book is taken up explaining all the ways our judgment is compromised by our fast-thinking processes.

I participate in a rose forum. One week I'll rave about a rose. People will go "oooh aaaah." The next week I'll find something bad to say about that same rose. I'll say it out loud, and there will be total silence. The second bit of information is not consistent with the first, which established that the rose was "good." I think that's what happens, anyway. Maybe it has something to do with heresy.

At another level, I think your experience with Abe Darby may not be typical of rose growers across the US. The microclimate of coastal California is very different from the climate even thirty miles inland. Once you get to the other side of the Rockies, things change much more. Roses that do well from, say, Missouri north, east, and south tend to be ill-suited to much of California. And vice versa. I think the reputation that Abraham Darby has of good disease resistance might trace back to all those gardeners east of the Rockies whose rose gardens are completely leveled each year by blackspot - or would be if they grew the popular exhibition-winning hybrid teas popular on the west coast. Abe Darby was one of the first widely distributed roses that they could be successful with in about half a century. (I know this from having grown a hundred or so rose cultivars when I lived for a decade in NJ.) I have been told repeatedly by a rose gardener near Santa Rosa that it is impossible to grow roses in San Francisco because of the coolish weather and the fog. So even the cultivars bred on the west coast for west coast gardeners tend to fail where you live, I am told. If that is true, then your rust ridden Abe Darby might be well above average in terms of disease performance for roses in SF.
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most recent 11 DEC 11 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 30 OCT 09 by kahlenberg
Available from - la roseraie du dèsert
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 11 DEC 11 by kai-eric
has it been correctly identified?
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