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Lyn G
most recent 23 MAY SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 26 DEC 04 by Unregistered Guest
HAS ANYONE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THIS ROSE ORANGE VELVET ? I LIVE IN A ZONE 4 AND I'M WANTING TO PLANT THIS ON EACH SIDE OF A 7 FOOT ARBOR.SPRINGHILL HAS IT AND SAYS IT'S HARDY TO -40 DEGREES.I'VE BEEN TRYING TO RESEARCH IT AND HAVE SPOKEN WITH NEARLY 40 ROSE GROWERS / SPECIALISTS THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES AND HAVE NOT FOUND ANYONE THAT KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT IT OR EVEN HEARD OF IT.I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY SOME THAT THERE ARE NO ROSES COLD HARDY TO MY ZONE THAT ARE ORANGE ,RED,OR EVEN YELLOW.WHEN I MENTION RED,I MEAN REAL RED , NOT HOT OR DEEP PINK SOME PEOPLE CLASSIFY AS RED.IF ANYONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABUT THIS ROSE ,PLEASE E-MAIL ME.THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME,THERESA.
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Reply #1 of 3 posted 28 DEC 04 by Lyn G
I would love to say that I have actual experience growing this rose, but most of my rose growing experience has been in Southern California! However, I decided to see if I could help you with some research. Instead of searching for rosarians in the United States, I did a Google search for the Canandian Rose Society. I had a hunch they had a lot more eperience with growing roses in colder zones than I do. They do list roses by growing zones and that can give you an indication of the hardiness of the cultivar you select. I did not see 'Orange Velvet' on any of their lists. However, in regards to your statement about roses with orange, yellow or red in them, several roses were listed as sufficiently hardy. Here's the link:

http://www.canadianrosesociety.org/

Good luck with your roses.

Lyn
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Reply #2 of 3 posted 30 JUL 07 by Unregistered Guest
I have a climbing orange velvet in the front yard. It has grown well and has been in the ground for about 4 years now. Some of the canes are about 10 to 12 feet long. I've had to cut it back because it is growing too close to the lawn and can be lethal when mowing the yard. It really should be planted where it will get more sun. The neighbors have an olive tree shading it. It performed best last spring and Fall. The blooms are truly an orange shade. I live in Phoenix where it has been over 100 degrees for the past couple of months, so it is just trying to get thru the summer right now. The only regret I have is that I was new to growing roses when I planted it and a climber really need to be trained over an arbor or down a wall to bloom well. Hope this helps.
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Reply #3 of 3 posted 23 MAY by Dianne's Southwest Idaho Rose Garden
My Orange Velvet is orange-red, and has survived well to -5 F. I've only grown it for 3 years, so will report back should we have winters colder than this (which I pray we will NOT).
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most recent 20 APR SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 3 JUN 08 by kernalchick
Can anyone tell me about the disease resistance of this rose? It will have to endure partial shade and I've been told by some nurserys that it would be fine. The second question is would this work for a pillar? Thanks for your help.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 JUN 08 by Lyn G
You can look up "hybrid musks" in our GLOSSARY and find out more about this class of roses.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 12 SEP 08 by Carlene
I have mine growing in mostly shade in a pot - absolutely no disease. Drought tolerant in a pot. Blooms more of course when it gets sufficient water. Tough little rose.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 SEP 08 by jedmar
Ours has lost almost all foliage to blackspot!
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 12 SEP 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It will mildew a bit when conditions are at their worst.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 20 APR by Gdisaz10
Blackspot in the summer in my hot , humid climate.
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most recent 8 APR SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 5 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
As a drought-tolerant rose, Miracle on the Hudson doesn't like wet potting soil and acidic rain. Saw a bunch of them in pots at Home Depot with lowest leaves turn yellow from weeks of spring rain. Rain in Chicagoland has pH 4.5, versus 5.6 on the West Coast.
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Reply #1 of 13 posted 5 SEP by Lyn G
In my opinion, such broad generalizations such as the definition of the ph of rain on the West Coast is more misinformation than information. It's a BIG West Coast.
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Reply #2 of 13 posted 6 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Here's the government link where I get the data of pH of rain across USA - long list of specific pH for specific region. pH of 5.6 for the West coast is Wikipedia's generalization, NOT mine. Best to argue with Wikipedia directly. https://water.usgs.gov/nwc/NWC/pH/html/ph.html
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Reply #3 of 13 posted 6 SEP by Lavenderlace
Do they update it every year or is it a fairly stable estimation of every year? Interesting data to ponder in the mix of things!
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Reply #4 of 13 posted 6 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
The link I posted previously is the latest-data composed by government in 2001 to the pH of rain across U.S.A. For a better map of acid-rain across U.S.A., shaded by different colors to show pH range dated in 1994, see below link. With more industrialization in recent years, the pH range would be more acidic than what's compiled in 1994.
https://www.classzone.com/books/earth_science/terc/content/investigations/es1807/es1807page02.cfm

My alkaline clay is a good buffer against acid-rain. In my garden-walkway, where I dumped coarse sand on top of alfalfa hay, the acid rain "melted" the fine-sand particles (they disappeared, even with a dozen bags of sand), what's left are tiny colorful pebbles that were in bagged coarse sand. Acid-rain converted hard-minerals into SOLUBLE fertilizer and the weeds went crazy in that sandy-walkway. I dumped the sub-yellowish clay plus rocks (dug below 2 feet) at the end of my garden .. I don't even bother rake it, or smooth it out. After a few months, the acid rain smoothened that out into a flat surface, but no weeds can grow in such heavy bad-clay. Amazing how acid-rain can flatten out lumpy rock-hard-clay, as well as making sand-particles disappear. That explains why Val who works for a rose-nursery in Florida plant roses a few inches. above ground, since the sand sinks down with acid-rain-erosion.
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Reply #5 of 13 posted 6 SEP by Lavenderlace
Super info, thanks for posting!

By the way, pretty sure that Jim in PA, has posted some marvelous pictures of MotH. I think he's in Z5 or 6 but it's very rainy there. Maybe he'll see this and chime in because he's definitely figured out how to grow this rose!
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Reply #6 of 13 posted 6 SEP by Lyn G
Straw ...

I am not arguing with anyone. I am speaking from experience. I know the ph in both my soil and water in my southern California garden was very different that what I now have in my garden in the mountains of northern California.

I think you are smart enough and know enough about roses that you can use good judgment to determine whether or not you should post a generalization like this, no matter what the source of information.

When a rose fails to thrive, there are often more than one variables at play that causes poor performance of the plant. Ph is only one variable. In your garden it may be a determining factor, but it's not a universal problem. Many roses can tolerate a wide range of ph and thrive quite well as long as they get the other resources they need to thrive.

I can understand why you focus so much on ph, but I think it's important that you evaluate the data you share more carefully.
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Reply #7 of 13 posted 6 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Lyn: The info. I shared above took me at least 1 hour of research, I posted that 1st in Organic Rose forum years ago, others from South Africa, Pakistan, and Canada also contributed to that shared experience on acidic rain. It's more useful to honestly share about one's roses than nit-picking & criticizing & lecturing and controlling others.

OWN-ROOT roses behave differently at different pH, versus grafted on SAME ROOTSTOCK such as Dr. Huey which likes alkaline. ROOTSTOCK customize roses to fit one's locality better. In my current alkaline clay, my 110+ varieties are all OWN-ROOTS (bred from different soil & climate), plus a few same varieties on Dr. Huey or Multiflora.

pH level is also a factor in rooting DIFFERENT roses from cuttings and in growing roses from seeds. The reason why I posted on this drought-tolerant rose in a wet & acidic pot is it gave me insight to root cuttings better during flash flood. I have been growing roses since my 20's, but didn't get into own-root roses until 7 years ago. I'm in mid 50's, have 30+ years of experience, and if I count roses from my last house of acidic clay (grafted on Dr. Huey), it's way over 150 varieties.

In 2011 Ingrid in Antique Rose forum was hurt in the same way by you, and now I am stabbed with your sarcastic knife under a friendly mask. I'm off the comment section for good, but still post pictures in HMF (that's safe from nit-picking). My purpose of posting is to cheer & support & appreciate others & share my locality & help cold-zoners, but I still get lectured & criticized and lost sleep over this last night. There's a difference between honest sharing about one's roses, versus your domination and control. NOT WORTH IT.
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Reply #8 of 13 posted 6 SEP by Patricia Routley
There isn't a sarcastic sliver in Lyn's very friendly face! She is an extremely valued HelpMeFind administrator who devoted years to helping others to grow roses. I really hope that you mean you are off HelpMeFind for good.
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Reply #9 of 13 posted 6 SEP by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
I know Lynn since 2011 .. used to chat with her weekly via e-mail & in forums. Yes, I'm off for good & you get your wish. You gave me great idea NOT to post anything in HMF, including pictures. Praise God for this incident, it's to my advantage to be off: more time with family & true friends. Now I understand why people give info. in forums, but not in HMF.
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Reply #10 of 13 posted 7 SEP by Give me caffeine
Well, I suppose we can call today the Last Straw.
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Reply #11 of 13 posted 6 APR by jim1961
MOTH does great here in Central Pa no spray! Stays clean the entire season! I really
like this rose!...winters well here also...We get alot of rain but it does not effect MOTH...
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Reply #12 of 13 posted 6 APR by Lavenderlace
Fantastic shiny leaves Jim!
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Reply #13 of 13 posted 8 APR by jim1961
Thanks Lavenderlace!
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most recent 8 APR SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 15 MAY 13 by goncmg
Just got this one as a sub from Heirloom...............actually hate striped roses and put it on my alt list as a dare and wow, joke on me...............so, what am I to expect? How sickly is this one in humid 6a Columbus? Is it really striped?Does it set hips? Is there any reason I should keep it and not "gift" it away?
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Reply #1 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by Patricia Routley
I don't have this rose, but it seems, that yes it is striped. It did not have consistently good reports in New Zealand and I suspect that it may not be healthy in your humid climate. According to the Australian patent, the hips are medium to large and pitcher shaped. There are a few more references to be read now.
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Reply #2 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by Nastarana
I consider O & L to be a gimick. I have never seen one that was not a puny, unattractive specimen. You might want to try a rigorous fertilizer regimen, to bring out its' best growth and color.
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Reply #3 of 14 posted 16 MAY 13 by goncmg
Thanks Nastarana and Patricia! Yeah, I figured this one would be a "dud" and I'll see what I can do with it.....why I listed it as a sub when I don't even LIKE striped roses is beyond me, guess I wanted to tempt the fates. Maybe it will surprise me, I will put it on the same "medicine" schedule that Soleil d'Or and Golden Showers get: a little spritz of Rose Pride each and everyday.....
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Reply #4 of 14 posted 4 DEC 13 by Simon Voorwinde
I grow it in Tasmania, Australia, with no care at all... it's a tall strong plant.
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Reply #5 of 14 posted 5 DEC 13 by Margaret Furness
It was very good in my sister's garden in the Adelaide Hills - zone 9b, Mediterranean climate with dry summers. Nice effect with the burgundy leaves.
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Reply #6 of 14 posted 5 DEC 13 by Lyn G
It was a dawg in my San Diego garden. It was the first rose I ever shovel pruned ... and I still have no regret. I do like and still grow other McGredy roses, but this one .... not for me.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #7 of 14 posted 1 MAY 16 by LaurelZ
Can you be more specific about why you did not like it? I saw it in a nursery, and I am posting. It looks ok, its not flopping. The foliage, although I did not get a shot looked very attractive and shiny. It appears that Weeks has reclassified Oranges and Lemons as a shurb rose.
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Reply #9 of 14 posted 4 JUL 16 by Lyn G
Sorry to be so late responding ...

In my experience, roses are regional. 'Oranges and Lemons' just did not like my San Diego climate. That does not necessarily mean that it will not do well for you.

When I moved to the mountains of northern California, roses that did exceptionally well for me in San Diego did not like the climate up here. Often the success of a rose depends upon where you are gardening.
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Reply #10 of 14 posted 4 JUL 16 by LaurelZ
thank you, but it was sold out. It has nice looking leaves.
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Reply #8 of 14 posted 27 JUN 16 by Michael Garhart
It's not a bad rose. Blooms well. Color is nice. Survives decently. Average health.

The bad part is the plant architecture, which does not fit into any practical idea. It is not quite a pillar. It is not a shrub or floribunda. It's very floppy. It can be grown decently inside a pillar structure, where it can sort of flop over the top.
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Reply #11 of 14 posted 8 APR by drossb1986
I'll add to this...I grew this one when it first came out. In my experience it was a very disease resistant stripe, very bright. However, the blooms were small, you couldn't really cut them as they aren't really on long enough stems, and it throws these giant arching canes. I don't know if it would grow better as a sorta-climber or what. It was just odd and awkward, not necessarily bad.
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Reply #12 of 14 posted 8 APR by Andrew from Dolton
The first time I saw a picture of this rose I fell in love and had to have it. I adore striped roses. Floribundas don't grow so well in my garden so I expected to have to put up with extreme blackspot for a couple of years then remove a half dead plant. But not so. It is tolerably healthy with me and flowers on and off all season, never putting on a big display but a continual one. The dark coloured foliage against the flowers adds another dimension to its appeal. However my only criticism is that when out of flower it is a rather unattractive leggy shrub, so I grow plenty of other plants around it and ignore it to the best of my ability when not in bloom. Never growing very high, by the end of the season it just about manages to get 1 metre tall.
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Reply #13 of 14 posted 8 APR by LaurelZ
I was able to buy one and I find it to rapid growing, but not leggy. The flowers are small, but don't sag. I suggest maybe its not getting enough sun light or the soil is poor. I also suggest pruning overly long canes to encourage more wide growth.
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Reply #14 of 14 posted 8 APR by Andrew from Dolton
It hates the cool wet summers here, if the flowers weren't so striking I wouldn't grow it.
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