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most recent 25 MAY SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 12 JAN 10 by chilloutroses
Jackson & Perkins site says it has a strong pear fragrance. Your post says none to mild. I'd like to hear from growers for their comment on the aroma.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 13 JAN 10 by Lyn G
In this case, the information on the rose page came from the registration material submitted by J & P to the ARS.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 18 AUG 10 by Louise's Garden
I have this rose and love it. Mine has a strong fruity fragrance.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 27 AUG 11 by Hedgerow Rose
Mine just started blooming and I would categorize the fragrance as a medium, delicious fruity scent. This is a gorgeous rose, starting out a deep orange and fading to salmon pink. The stems are strong enough to hold the large blooms upright. In our garden showing incredible disease resistance!
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 27 MAY 14 by Robert D.
Our Sedona has a wonderfully rich fruity fragrance. It is also one of the most beautiful flowers of all the plants in our rose collection. Healthy, vigorous, and generous with huge, long lasting blooms. We're going to get another next spring. Wonderful!
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 25 MAY by Hopeisdopie
Im in southern california and my Sedona has almost no smell. This is its 3rd year and this spring i happened to notice a very light fragrance. but now that its getting hot, its scentless again ????‍♀️
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most recent 17 MAR SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 24 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
I have heard from some who grow this rose, that the fragrance of R.clinophylla flowers (as well as its dried anthers/pollen), is acetone-like.
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Reply #1 of 10 posted 25 MAY 10 by Cass
It's not quite that bad - bananas and oddly chemically. Acetone is too strong a scent: women associate the smell of nail polish remover with acetone, and Clinophylla shouldn't be associated with an odor that strong or that offensive.
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Reply #2 of 10 posted 25 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
Ok.
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Reply #3 of 10 posted 25 MAY 10 by Lyn G
George.......

Actually they are included. When a site user posts a COMMENT to a rose page, that comment is archived and will always be attached to that rose page. Unfortunately, many site users do not click either the REFERENCES or COMMENTS tab on the rose page and miss some very good information provided by the rose community.

Fragrance is often variable and it would be almost impossible to report all of the descriptions of the fragrance of a rose. That's why it is very beneficial for people to share their experience with the roses they grow.

Lyn
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Reply #4 of 10 posted 1 JUN 13 by Benaminh
I don't get acetone, but I can see how the camphorous note may be chemical like. Cass mentions bananas, which is somewhat close. I smell Juicy Fruit gum and almond layered with eucalyptus/peppermint. It's a pleasant & unique fragrance combination that should be further explored in hybridizing.

The plant @ SJHRG is now about 8 feet tall by 5 feet wide. The fountaining growth pattern and short flower stems along every leaf node reminds me very much of the grace and delicacy of R. hugonis or R. cantabrigiensis. In early March the silvery hair covering the plant reflects the light and lends a downy softness like lamb's ears. In the heat of June the leaves look more wrinkled and folded, while the down has retreated to the tips of new growths and sepaled flower buds. Not much presence of blackspot or rust, but there might have been some mildew; however, my memory could be mistaken. The fully open, single flowers are 1.5 - 2 inches in diameter, in a warm white or ivory color, and crowned by a large, golden, candelabra like boss of stamens. The flowers blow quickly; therefore, pollen is best collected when the bud is just starting to unfurl, and the petals are still twisted in a flesh colored cone.
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Reply #5 of 10 posted 1 JUN 13 by Jay-Jay
The scent of ripe bananas is isoamylacetaat. Angry bees, or those that allready stung excrete a similar scent, to alert other bees.
During the riping process it exudes ethyleen. Ethyleen is used to ripen unripe fruits(and bananas)
And yes, it is a bit like aceton, but not that strong and intrusive/pushy.
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Reply #6 of 10 posted 4 MAR by CybeRose
Has anyone smelled this rose at night? Not all white flowers are nocturnal, but I've been wondering if some white flowered Rosa species might be attracting some night critters.
Karl
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Reply #7 of 10 posted 5 MAR by Plazbo
Not quite night night yet but just past sunset (but can still mostly see without a torch if that makes sense) and it's very mild and inoffensive. The flowers close up at night though so nocturnal pollinators would be "locked out" as it were.
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Reply #8 of 10 posted 5 MAR by CybeRose
Thanks. That's what I'm looking for.
I read just yesterday that Rosa arvensis is reported to be "scentless by day but sometimes having a faint scent, just discernible, at dusk in warm weather."
It would be helpful to have more info on the pollinators of wild roses.
Karl
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Reply #9 of 10 posted 17 MAR by CybeRose
Have you seen bees hiding in the flowers at night? That has been reported for R. bracteata.
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Reply #10 of 10 posted 17 MAR by Plazbo
No, but I haven't really paid much attention to it. Of note most of the bee's I see around here are native types (like Blue Banded bees) rather than euro/asian/african honey bee's (which have some monitoring and control over if feral hives are reported) which may influence that.
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most recent 3 FEB SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 11 APR 10 by Laurie Newman
I am a proud Australian. My profile illustrates that I am also a keen rosarian. Since visiting Mornington Botanical Rose Garden yesterday, it came again to me the sad conclusion that our "Cultural Cringe" is alive and well. I spotted two beds of Rosa 'Dame Elisabeth Murdoch', enclosed in two bays dedicated to and sponsored by that illustrious Australian lady. In view of her reputation and the great esteem with which she is held in Australia, I wondered just who chose this particular rose that was given the honour of her name. Be that as it may, it is an unremarkable rose bred in Germany, Rosa 'Speelwark', and to it second hand is given the name of a great Australian lady. The question needs to be asked as to why not an Australian bred rose? It is my opinion that that would be a much more appropriate option.

But then, "they" have been recklessly indifferent to recognising Australian bred roses since Alister Clark's roses were exported to America 80 years ago, resulting in the creation there of the "mystery virus" from Australia because of which we are still prohibited from exporting roses to USA. Recently the wheel has turned full circle, and we now don't accept roses directly from America. How in the past we have escaped "Witches Broom" and other "nasties" they have over there I don't know, and I expect that we can be very thankful for the protection of quarantine protocols.

During that period of time, it has been the practice of several Australian rose distributors from time to time, to bypass Australian roses and give a new name to an introduced rose, no doubt for commercial advantage. I will not name names. It is a historical fact, and it has happened with Rosa 'Speelwark'. Why is not an Australian bred rose chosen? Australian bred roses have been named for early explorers, and various religious centres of learning, but very few living Australians or significant national occasions. The centenary of Australian Federation was such an occasion, and rather than adopt an Australian rose for that celebration, "they" chose a rose with the name of a crazy cartoon-strip character, "Betty Boop"!!! In its gaudiness it may be attractive to many, but where is the innate Australian character befitting such an occasion? Australian roses were suggested, a very appropriate rose amongst them, but they were overlooked. Why? I am completely unaware how this rose was marketed with the new name Rosa 'Centenary of Federation'.

And now I see Rosa 'Rebell' has been renamed Rosa 'Australian Centenary of Federation'. Bred by Kordes of Germany in 2006, the connection with our federation, and how we got and why we need a second token of recognition of that occasion escapes me.

Australian bred roses are very good indeed, and compare favourably with those selected from overseas stock. In competition with roses submitted from overseas, Australian bred roses have performed very well at the Australian Rose Trial Garden in Adelaide for many years. A problem exists whereby growers and distributers in Australia dedicate their annual production to roses from their overseas principals in order to maintain the agency, to the almost total denial that Australian bred roses exist.

One brave Australian distributor is the exception, but it requires that the large rose interests and the general public seriously look at the quality roses available at home, and that are not generally made available to the general public.
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Reply #1 of 44 posted 15 APR 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #2 of 44 posted 15 APR 10 by Laurie Newman
George. Yes it may be unsettling, but we have to live with it, and I think the tide is turning towards Australian Bred roses. South Australian George Thompson and Victorian Bruce Chapman are doing great work, as is a new boy Warren Millington from Deniliquin. Check these pages for examples of their work. If only rests on the shoulders of Australian rose breeders to register their roses through the Australian Registrar for the free publicity available through free publication in Modern Roses 13.

Good Luck with your breeding. Consider contacting Australian Rose Breeders Association and Australian or New South Wales Rose Society for connections and information. We're all in it together.
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Reply #3 of 44 posted 15 APR 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #4 of 44 posted 17 APR 10 by Patricia Routley
Hmmm. Laurie, I can't help but note that your contributions to HelpMeFind do not carry that red star which indicate your help and support to this site!
Patricia.
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Reply #5 of 44 posted 2 MAY 10 by anonymous-377685
What does Austrailia have to do with Betty Boop?
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Reply #6 of 44 posted 4 MAY 10 by Laurie Newman
Rosa 'Betty Boop', an American bred rose, was chosen to recognise the Centenary of Federation for Australia. as if to say there is not an Australian bred rose adequate for this honour. Who made this decision?
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Reply #7 of 44 posted 4 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Gotcha. How often is this award given?
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Reply #8 of 44 posted 4 MAY 10 by Margaret Furness
Not an award, just a re-naming for commercial gain. There will no doubt be a rose named for the bicentenary in 2101 (of federation of the separate colonies in Australia, to become one nation).
I object to any rose being given multiple names for marketing purposes; and especially when a rose that already has a frivolous name is used to commemorate a special event or person.
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Reply #9 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
Australia (you included) should be honored and thrilled that Tom Carruth allowed such a marvelous rose to be co-named Australian Centenary of Freedom. Betty Boop is one of the finest to come out in past 30 years and it's obvious why the powers that be in your homeland were drueling over it. If Tom were from Tunisia or Antartica he would still be the King Breeder of the day.
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Reply #10 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by Laurie Newman
Welcome to an American friend to this discussion about why Australian bred roses are not chosen to commemorate a uniquely Australian event. We have any number of locally bred roses that may be used for such purposes, especially for this auspicious occasion.

To my limited knowledge, Rosa 'Betty Boop' is as I described it, a gaudy rose named after a similarly gaudy American cartoon strip character, completely inappropriate to be chosen for the occasion of the Centenary of Federation of THIS country. Perhaps this latest un-named contributor can enlighten us as to its being "one of the finest to come out in past 30 years". Perhaps this contributor can also direct me to some evidence of the superior qualities(?) of this rose, for I can find none.
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Reply #11 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Dear Laurie,
Since you asked for evidence, you need look no further than the hmf roses site:
1. 14 favorite rose ratings- not bad for a relatively new introduction, eh?

2. check out the lovely positive remarks on this very "MEMBERS COMMENTS" site (a site which I must confess is a tad overladen with your Aussie inferiority complex diatribe, rather than RELEVANT comments about the subject: it's Betty Boop, isn't it?)

3. check out the awards tab for the Devine Ms Boop- WARNING: You may not have time to read them all in one sitting.

But then we certainly don't want to negate your obviously very strong feelings of patriotism with EASILY found facts now, or do we? Why not lighten up and deliver Ms Boop the applause she heartily deserves and leave politics out of the rose bed?
Personally, I agree with Empress Josephine who imported roses from the British despite their ongoing war with her Frenchmen and let's not forget Mr. Shakespeare: "A rose from whatever county is still a rose.."
Love from Los Angeles,
Tim
PS My brother Tad, who lives in Canberra, told me that Ms Boop has really painted the town. Enjoy!
PSS Since most of Mr Carruth's roses are so beyond magnifiScent here in LA, I'm sure you can experience the glory in Australia too- since we share your wonderful climate.
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Reply #14 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by Laurie Newman
I'm sorry Tim, I've obviously touched a nerve. The name is Laurie by the way. There is no doubt that Tim Carruth has bred and is still breeding good roses, but he is not alone. The measure of a good rose is not necessarily popular opinion. Better qualification for excellence is to be gained from recognition by rose experts, such as is had from Trial Garden exposure and success around the world, All-American Rose Selection awards, James Alexander Gamble Award for fragrance, to name but a few. Politics? I don't see any.
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Reply #15 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Dear Laurie,
Maybe you didn't get chance to read the HMF Roses "AWARDS" tab on Betty, as I requested, but there you would find the AARS Award recognition that you seem to consider important, as well as MANY other awards. Why do you think the officials in Australia awarded it with the prestigious name in the first place? Don't you think they had any critera in choosing a rose for the title other than: it must be an American rose? As you must know, as a breeder, many roses have more than one name.
Personally I think popularity among we lowly rose gardeners is the proof in the pudding that a rose really works and satisfies. I've seen award winners and "rose of the year" selections fall by the wayside while less recognized roses have hung on to become classics because they have delivered to the public.
Anyway since Betty has been highly recognized by BOTH factions it makes your scorn for her all the more puzzling.
Now then, when you give Betty Boop a chance in your garden, and you must if you seriously want to live life to it's fullest (remember you did admit to limited knowledge of Ms Boop), no doubt, you will fall in love with and probably even begin to use her in your breeding program.
Humbly accepting your retraction in advance,
Tim
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Reply #20 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
My name is Tim and the legendary 13 time AARS winner's name is Tom Carruth.
If he were English he'd already have a title.
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Reply #12 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Dear Mr Laurie Newman,
Please don't deprive yourself of the superberific Della Reese, Crystalline, Ebb Tide, Wild Blue Yonder, Memorial Day, Rock & Roll, Legends, Barbra Streisand, Julia Child, Stainless Steel etc etc etc etc etc, just because they weren't bred by a citizen of Oz. Life is to short to live in your puritanical state of patriotic celibacy and restraint. Imagine if Dorothy had stayed in just Kansas!
Barbra Sreisand didn't wait for a New Yorker, Oprah didn't wait for a Tennessean, and Julia Child didn't wait for a Californian... they all called on Texan Tom Carruth because he's the Rose King of the World.
LONG LIVE AND ALL HAIL (and SMELL the roses of) THE KING!!!
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Reply #13 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by Cass
I agree with both of you.

In my opinion, while we are expressing opinions, the Australian centenary should be commemorated by a rose bred by an Australian hybridizer. Nationalism should include honoring the home-grown.

I also think Tom Carruth is a prolific, successful and innovative hybridizer, producing terrific roses - a remarkable line of "Carruth blue roses" (Stainless Steel, Blueberry Hill, Barbra Streisand, Outta the Blue, Route 66, Neptune, Midnight Blue, Wild Blue Yonder, Night Owl, Ebb Tide); the russet Hot Cocoa; and many other commercially successful roses like Scentimental, Moonstone, Fourth of July, About Face, and Julia Child. One man's tasteful is another man's boring. Carruth works with a full palette of colors.
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Reply #16 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Dear Cass,
I hate to disagree with someone who bears my favorite name, and someone who gows so damn many roses, but....
Who cares where a breeder was born? It's the rose that counts! Pick the guy or gal who does the best job, or grows the best rose in this case. Who cares what side of a borderline somebody slipped out of a uterus? Since I was enlightened by people like Cass Elliot and her friend and your neighbor, Joan Baez, I don't go for all this flag waving stuff. Sadly, I think Laurie was doggin Betty soley because of her national origin.
PS
Why don't Cass, Joan or Aretha have roses named after them? Maybe Laurie could create them if he isn't focused on one for Olivia or the Bee Gees?
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Reply #17 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #18 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Sorry if I offended anyone with my mistake. I respect all sexes equally, so no harm intended.
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Reply #19 of 44 posted 17 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #25 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Cass
Tim: I have not burdened these comments with what nationalism should NOT include. I am not waving the flag. I said "Nationalism should include honoring the home-grown," and I'll go to my pacifist-Northern California-wingnut-commie-pinko-radical grave saying the same thing.
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Reply #41 of 44 posted 3 FEB by Lucy Rose
To Unregisterd guest, Laurie Newman is held in high esteem by many of his peers and rosarians in our part of world, if not in yours. True, Tom Carruth has many accolades to his name, but there are also many Aussie rose that are noteworthy.
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Reply #43 of 44 posted 3 FEB by Margaret Furness
Transferred to end of discussion.
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Reply #21 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
All-America Rose Selection [ 1999 ]

Floribunda (One Bloom)
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Reply #22 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #23 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Hey George,
If I had any say in it I would have been happy to choose Laurie Newman's China Sunrise- it looks amazing. Betty Boop has already enjoyed plenty of sucess anyway. I am all for the little guy getting a break, but Betty Boop is a star, and doesn't deserved to get bashed just because big business is unfair, sucks and doesn't always have the best of taste.
I do think nationality should be irrelevant in a selection process though. I also defend non-Americans, when they win commisions here, from Yanks complaining "it shoulda gone to an American"
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Reply #24 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #26 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Actually though ,George, that is not "all" he said. He called Betty Boop "gaudy and completley inappropriate." Since Mr Newman claims "politics" aren't involved, then he is attacking the vivacious star of this page. Let us all remember we are on Betty's page and she does deserve a modicum of respect if not admiration. She is such a hard worker.
Peace and Blessings,
Tim
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Reply #27 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #28 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Thats quite true, George, but I don't think you should feel obligated to assume the position of trying to whitewash the dreadful things Mr Newman said about poor Betty. Do you know her yourself? To grow her is to love her, and I'm sure you will, when you do. I know he's a skilled breeder, but does that justify his harsh remarks about this beloved STAR and AARS Winner? Even if Laurie Newman has denied any "political" considerations, I just can't help but feel he's being so cruel about Ms Boop just because she and her creator are Americans. I would never object and lobby for an American breeder if New Zealander Sam McCredy lV decided to rename Aotearoa something like: American Revolution Celebration Rose. I'd feel that the US celebration would have scored! I certainly wasn't offended that we used French Breeder Meilland for Miss All American Beauty instead of somebody from Jackson & Perkins like Eugene Boerner, although I certainly preferred the name Maria Callas for the sake of beauty.
Meanwhile let us try to be kinder to Betty Boop and Tom for all the joy they have provided the whole world, especially while visiting Betty's own page!!
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Reply #29 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #30 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Margaret Furness
I think 30 posts is more than adequate for any one discussion. Would HMF Admin please close it?
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Reply #31 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Margaret,
What are you afraid of? No one is shooting anybody. I admire Mr Newman's skill as a breeder, in fact I would purchase that beautiful apricot/ orange rose of his, CHINA EVENING, if I could, but that does not mean I will desert Poor Betty in the alley whilst she is being unfairly attacked.
I am a very loyal friend. Why do you find it necessary to be babysat by the hmf authorities, when we are merely expressing our opinions. Isn't traffic to the hmf site a good thing?
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Reply #33 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Margaret Furness
Boredom.
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Reply #37 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
now THAT is understandable. But just delete your email without checking hmf comments.
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Reply #35 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Lyn G
timdufelmeier......

"Isn't traffic to the hmf site a good thing?"

Yes, it is .... especially if you are a supporting member.

With Regards,

Lyn
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Reply #38 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
See, Margaret and Lyn, inane hmf arguments can be productive, I just joined. I actually have tried a couple times before but that d*** paypal thing wouldn't work.
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Reply #39 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Lyn G
Welcome to HMF ! and thank you for the support.

Lyn
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Reply #42 of 44 posted 3 FEB by Lucy Rose
To Tom, Laurie Newman is held in high esteem by many of his peers and rosarians in our part of world, if not in yours. So is Margaret. Tom Carruth is no doubt a highly regarded breeder. But there is no lack of excellent Ausbred roses for this great occasion. It is the opinion shared and felt by many of us.
High traffic on HMF is good but it really depends on what kind of traffic.
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Reply #44 of 44 posted 3 FEB by Margaret Furness
This discussion happened over 11 years ago and is not worth re-opening.
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Reply #32 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Then George is it safe to assume you are a friend of Betty?
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Reply #34 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Which is your favorite? I am stuck in a 2 way tie between Della Reese and Strainless Steel.
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Reply #36 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by Unregistered Guest
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Reply #40 of 44 posted 18 MAY 10 by timdufelmeier
Stainless Steel is perfection and I gave mine away to a dying friend whose gardener killed it anyway. Now I can't find it and I am going into withdrawls. It has been replaced with Neptune at most nurseries in LA. Once I went to a nursery that said SS was in and it was that damn Neptune with a SS label. I recently saw SWEETNESS, that J&P lavender Rose of the Year, and I was not too impressed. Lots of clusters. Hard to judge in a 5 gallon pot though.
Ebb Tide is too freaky for words. I brought a candelabra of about 6 blooms to my office and my co-workers griped "Why did you bring that artificial flower when you have so many pretty real roses in your garden." I just gave my EBB TIDE to my next door neighbor (who I intentionally got addicted to roses) because she was literally having a fit over it. She feeds and waters her flowers like a fiend (we use NO fungi or insecti cides) and now ET is covered with candelabra clusters like a SEXY REXY. That Wild Blue Yonder is MUCH prettier than I realized too. Is SS popular in Oz, it came an went fast here and nobody I know has or wants it. Roses are "out" right now in the US.
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most recent 20 JAN SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 28 FEB 11 by Michael Garhart
This is a sport of America. Its listed in one of the ARS magazines. However, I do not have a specific reference as proof.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 1 MAR 11 by HMF Admin
We trust your memory but can you be specific just to be sure we're on the same page.
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Reply #2 of 5 posted 1 MAR 11 by Lyn G
Michael......

I have listed the rose as a sport of 'America' bred by Warriner, but there are more than one rose name 'America' in the HMF database. Do you have any way of confirming that 'Royal America' sported from Warriner's rose ?

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #3 of 5 posted 3 MAR 11 by HMF Admin
Can you confirm the 'America' bred by Warriner is the correct one. Thanks!
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Reply #4 of 5 posted 17 JAN by Michael Garhart
I just stumbled on this chain of comments. I never got the message way back when :[
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Reply #5 of 5 posted 20 JAN by Nastarana
Might it possibly be a seedling of 'America"? I had it once. I liked it very much, but the flowers were more of a cup shape, not so flat as 'America'. The bush and foliage were very like 'America'. I think it must be out of commerce now.

What I had looked very like the photos in Beth's Northern CA garden, with the nice creamy color. The page for breeder Curt Cooper shows RA as having bred by him.
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