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Lyn G
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Initial post 30 MAY 08 by jodiej
Does anyone have experience wiht how tender and how disease resistant Pola Star is? I'm looking for a nice white tea rose.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 1 JUN 08 by Lyn G
One of the REFERENCES says that Polar Star is hardy to zone 4 (Botanica's Roses). I have updated the rose page.

Reply #2 of 2 posted 2 MAY by Mark Roeder
This is my hardiest hybrid tea. Fairly disease resistant but will spot. Cleaning dead leaves from prior season from beneath plant will help.
most recent 20 APR SHOW ALL
Initial post 3 JUN 08 by kernalchick
Can anyone tell me about the disease resistance of this rose? It will have to endure partial shade and I've been told by some nurserys that it would be fine. The second question is would this work for a pillar? Thanks for your help.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 5 JUN 08 by Lyn G
You can look up "hybrid musks" in our GLOSSARY and find out more about this class of roses.

Reply #2 of 6 posted 12 SEP 08 by Carlene
I have mine growing in mostly shade in a pot - absolutely no disease. Drought tolerant in a pot. Blooms more of course when it gets sufficient water. Tough little rose.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 13 SEP 08 by jedmar
Ours has lost almost all foliage to blackspot!
Reply #3 of 6 posted 12 SEP 08 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
It will mildew a bit when conditions are at their worst.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 20 APR 18 by Gdisaz10
Blackspot in the summer in my hot , humid climate.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 20 APR by johnm99
In Victoria BC (now zone 8b - cool summer, temperate winter) I find this to be astonishingly healthy. I have a large specimen that I planted over 20 years ago. Deer invaded our neighbourhood after that, and ate all the bottom 3 - 4 feet off it, but it continued to grow upward , curling around a telephone pole, forming a large ball maybe 8' wide from about 5 ' to 12 ' above the ground.
It gets almost no disease, and is nearly evergreen. Flowers from May to November.... scent has been described as strong, but I would say it is actually "moderately strong" - but very nice.

Of the 40 or so roses I had in our front garden, the deer killed most of them - leaving only Felicia, Cl. The Fairy and New Dawn - all because they could grow up and escape the deer. Felicia brings me a great deal of pleasure.

That being said, I have seen it encumbered with blackspot in other locations, but not devastatingly so - more annoying than harmful to the overall plant health.
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Initial post 20 FEB 14 by Michael Garhart
I wish there were articles or documentation about how the Southern European countries began striped roses. It is obvious that they began before roses like Scentimental hit the market, so it makes me wonder if there is a story to tell.
Reply #1 of 9 posted 2 APR 18 by mtspace
Ferdinand Pichard has bee around for a long time. It lurks in the ancestry of Oranges 'n' Lemons as it does in the ancestry of Scentimental.
Reply #2 of 9 posted 2 APR 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Do you think they could ultimately all descend from Rosa gallica 'Versicolor'? Are there any striped roses without any gallica blood in them at all?
Reply #3 of 9 posted 3 APR 18 by Lyn G
Andrew ...

You may be interested in this article written by Ralph Moore:
Reply #4 of 9 posted 3 APR 18 by Michael Garhart
Yes, some teas are striped.

FP is related to other H.Perpetuals. They share an odd type of feathery, pointed foliage, which is kind of interesting.

I am not completely convinced virus is the only source. Maybe it's just a simple mutation. I think most of my frustration is that there is no lineage bridges from of the original modern roses (gallics, for example) to the early 1900s.
Reply #5 of 9 posted 3 APR 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Thank you Lyn that was really informative.
Michael are the stripy Teas pure Teas? The foliage of 'Ferdinand Pichard' is also a pale colour too similar to certain others. The gaps in the family trees are as annoying as with "blue" roses too.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 20 FEB by Michael Garhart
It's not possible to know. Many lines ends in information between 1800 and 1850.

I am guessing that striping is a form of incomplete inheritance in some lines of roses. I am also guessing that bicolors further disambiguate the incompletion.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 20 FEB by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Ralph Moore introduced modern striped genetics via, 'Ferdinard Pichard'.

I was around and knew him at the time. All modern striped roses descend from his work.

They created quite a stir and they still do.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 20 FEB by Andrew from Dolton
I REALLY like 'Stars 'n' Stripes' and would just love to know the parentage of 'Ferdinand Pichard'.
Reply #9 of 9 posted 21 FEB by Michael Garhart
That line is from:

They have foliage unlike most HPs of the time, with slight serration and more linear leaflets. Sometimes with undulating disfigurement to the whole leaflet.

Vebert spanned 50some years, it spans many types of roses, and a lot of the work doesn't have a lineage. He used a lot of moss and centifolia, which makes me wonder if a mutation from those was not the source. Specifically centifolia x gallica backgrounds, which are prone to mutations of all sorts. Including color breaking. It is perhaps he found a mutation that was not genetically superficial and kept the stripe from it, which happened to be a simple single.
most recent 14 JAN SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 MAY 09 by Jeff Britt
Neighbors of mine has this planted in their front garden. The house is modern and the front garden was obviously "designed" by a landscape architect using only evergreen shrubs and no flowers, except a large plant of Butterscotch. The plant always seems to have some flowers on it from April until December. The flower color is certainly interesting. It is not to my taste, but in this setting it is striking and quite beautiful. I can't imagine trying to combine it's unearthly colors with other roses and flowers, but it is an arresting sight on its own.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 27 MAY 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
I confess I love the color. I've bred several things from it. It's an easy parent.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 28 MAY 09 by Jeff Britt
It's just such a weird color! It's very had to even describe. It reminds me of so many Legrice roses -- fascinating, bizarre and unearthly colors that change with temperature conditions and light. Butterscotch will undoubtably make some fascinating seedlings. You have more courage than I would.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 28 MAY 09 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
Yes, it's a weird color. It was a favorite of the hybridizer but never caught on with much of the public. From what I can gather disease resistance is average, at best, but it's never mildewed for me which is saying something.

Most offspring were/are unremarkable. Most yellow and a few mauve or russet with probably half climbers. It could be explored much further but I don't have the space or time.

Some of the best colors came out of 'Smoky' as pollen parent but all mildew to some degree.

I will reveal all parentages in time. If you'd like to see other seedlings out of Cl. Butterscotch contact me directly.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 24 JAN 11 by Darli
I am hunting for Butterscotch Climber aka JACtan. I like the almost "paperbag" shade I see in photographs. I would like to add it to a mostly green garden area, but darn I can't find a plant source. I do have some rootstock ready for grafting in my Victoria BC garden. Bu I also have a garden in Arizona where my roses do amazingly well. Can you provife me with a sourcee for cuttings or plants? Thanks, kindly. Darlene White
Reply #5 of 6 posted 25 JAN 11 by Lyn G
Please click the HOW DO I button at the top of the page to learn how to find the source of a rose.

Reply #6 of 6 posted 14 JAN by mamabotanica
It's now available from Grace Rose Farm. They have many usually colored roses.
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